Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

RNC Committeewoman Claims Rubio and Cruz Both Ineligible for Presidency
mediaite.com ^ | February 15

Posted on 02/15/2016 7:23:05 PM PST by Helicondelta

A Republican National committeewoman from Nevada just proposed that not only is Cruz not eligible to be president, but GOP rival Marco Rubio isn't either.

Cruz's Canadian birthplace has been dragged through the press relentlessly over the last few weeks, but Rubio's birth to immigrant parents hasn't been discussed as much. Enter Diana Orrock, who not only serves the RNC, but is running for the Nevada state assembly.

She tweeted a link to an article by Devvy Kidd on conservative website News With Views. Kidd contends that because Rubio's parents were born elsewhere and weren't naturalized as citizens until he was four years old, he cannot run for the nation's highest office.

(Excerpt) Read more at mediaite.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stcanadiansenator; 2016election; 2016issues; anchorbaby; cruz; election; eligibility; naturalborn; repositorycruz; rubio; rubioanchorbaby
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160161-162 next last
To: Catsrus
Im not even sure Cruz is eligible to be a Senator. He was a Canadian citizen until 2014. He was elected to the Senate in 2012. Very interesting!

Just Damn!! No wonder the lying Canadian anchor baby boy won't release his immigration/naturalization file!!!!! Holy Cow!!!!!! He is shy seven years!!

121 posted on 02/15/2016 8:49:30 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: topfile

Maybe he should sign up for a course in “How To Win Friends and Influence People.”


122 posted on 02/15/2016 8:54:12 PM PST by Catsrus (I callz 'em as I seez 'em)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: musicman

I like it. Keep posting. The Cruzbot nightshift will keep ignoring it, however the lurkers will see the truth.


123 posted on 02/15/2016 8:54:14 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: taxcontrol; dadfly
Personally, I would favor a meritocracy for citizenship.

I myself couldn't muster an argument against any one of the bullet-catchers of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team [Go For Broke] being President.

124 posted on 02/15/2016 8:56:14 PM PST by kiryandil ("Our Muslim-In-Chief, Barack Obama - the Quislaming in the White House")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]

To: topfile
So if Cruz doesn’t get the nomination maybe he should try for Prime minister of Canada?

Too late. He renounced his citizenship to Canada in 2014 before announcing his run. Now if he can finally show his CRBA form, he may be qualified to run for Congress or be appointed to the Supreme Court.
125 posted on 02/15/2016 8:56:42 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: dadfly

“i certainly wouldn’t want to give this congress of fools that power.”

I agree.


126 posted on 02/15/2016 8:59:36 PM PST by Lower55
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

To: Helicondelta

So why is Obama in the White House, since he is not a natural born citizen/


127 posted on 02/15/2016 9:01:03 PM PST by kaehurowing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Helicondelta

Excellent! Now if we could just get the courts tyo resolve it.


128 posted on 02/15/2016 9:01:33 PM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RangerM

Wrong...check this:
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/#


129 posted on 02/15/2016 9:04:19 PM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RangerM
Cruz could have been born on the Moon on live television and he'd still be eligible.

As long as his mommy was there.


130 posted on 02/15/2016 9:05:43 PM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Helicondelta; All

This should clear things up once & for all. They BOTH are not eligible:
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/#


131 posted on 02/15/2016 9:05:43 PM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pollywog

You better give Ben a call then... ;)
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/#


132 posted on 02/15/2016 9:06:39 PM PST by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil

only seems right. i have a dear friend who spent time as a kid in one of those camps.


133 posted on 02/15/2016 9:08:33 PM PST by dadfly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: Helicondelta

Like your candidate, you Trumpkins will say or do literally ANYTHING.


134 posted on 02/15/2016 9:09:16 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: amihow

>>> What are differences between citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen?

A citizen is either natural born, or naturalized.

In order to be natural born, you must be born on US soil AND BOTH parents must be citizens at time of birth. (parents don’t have to be NB)

If you are not NB, then you are by default naturalized.
This includes being born on US soil with 1 or no parent citizens, or legally immigrated.


135 posted on 02/15/2016 9:09:44 PM PST by Safrguns
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: amihow
I posed this before also. What are differences between citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen?

A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in the country (jus soli), to parents who are both citizens at the time of the birth (jus sanguinis).

A natural born citizen is one whose sole allegiance to the USA is without question, either through geography or parentage.

We have about 300 Million natural born citizens in the USA, and half of those are not communists. You would think our political parties could find a couple of viable candidates from among that 150 Million? Maybe? What is their agenda?

136 posted on 02/15/2016 9:17:10 PM PST by meadsjn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: meadsjn

posed this before also. What are differences between citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen?

A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born in the country (jus soli), to parents who are both citizens at the time of the birth (jus sanguinis).

A natural born citizen is one whose sole allegiance to the USA is without question, either through geography or parentage.

We have about 300 Million natural born citizens in the USA, and half of those are not communists. You would think our political parties could find a couple of viable candidates from among that 150 Million? Maybe? What is their agenda?


Plain as day!

At the rate we are going (Rubio? for sure!), I see this scenario as a possibility...Someday, we will have a candidate whose mother came from China to LA to give birth to a US citizen (This is called birth tourism, and it is happening.). The child, born in a US Citizen by virtue of being born in US, is then reared in China by Chinese parents for 18 years.

Then grown child returns to US, goes to school, works, etc. The adult now lives in US the required time, runs for Senate or governor of a state, then leapfrogs into a Presidential run. So could we have a foreign reared president...Is this possible?


137 posted on 02/15/2016 9:36:18 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (h)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies]

To: amihow
I posed this before also. What are differences between citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen?

Natural born citizens were the only citizens defined in and by the Constitution. Only natural born citizens may be president or vice president. Congress, Article 1 Section 8, have the authority to create "an Uniform Rule for Naturalization." Obviously, before the 14th Amendment, black citizens born in Northern States were not recognized and did not have the rights of citizens in the South.

Precedent for the definition for who were Natural Born Citizens was created in 1875 by Minor v. Happersett. The definition was used often before 1875, but Minor was the first case in which the definition was essential to the decision by The Court:

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

The first citizens to be naturalized by law that this writer knows of (those who have a better background please educate me) were naturalized by the 1790 Naturalization Act from our first Congress. There was some confusion around the 1790 Act, confusion that has been used to affect by many on the left such as Larry Tribe in Senate Res 511, and by Mark Levin and Ted Cruz, both of whom used the phrase "children born beyond the seas to citizen parents shall be considered as natural born citizens" to mean "is" a natural born citizen. James Madison was probably pointing out that naturalized citizens have all the protections and rights of a natural born citizen. Being president is not a right. Even before Marbury v. Madison our framers understood the importance of separation of powers. Madison seems to have realized that his clarification created confusion, and rescinded the 1790 act completely, replacing "considered as" with "is a citizen". Article 1 Section 8 was used to create citizens from the children of citizens. But the 14th Amendment opened the door to hundreds of other naturalization acts.

The 14th Amendment:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any persons within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws."

The first sentence tells us, since naturalization laws created by the colonies were not replaced by the Constitution, and could not be until congress agreed upon a "uniform" naturalization rule, that any citizen naturalized by a state was henceforth a citizen of every state. This was an unfortunately necessary compromise after declaring that "All men are created equal...". But without the compromise we would probably have been partitioned into at least two, and possibly four of five nations, as was Canada.

The author of this first section of the 14th Amendment, Judge, Congressman, abolitionist John Bingham explained to Congress in 1866 about his amendment act:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…."

As is now explained by our naturalization oath:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Ted did renounce his allegiance to Canada, but in 2014. Calling him a natural born citizen is a claim that laws don't really matter for Ted Cruz because he is a conservatives conservative. He is, unfortunately, a fraud, who may have judged the ignorance of our laws correctly as he seeks power. But for someone with such distain for our foundations, power to do what?

Our naturalization rules have been altered by Congress well over one hundred times. Congress, after the first application of the Constitution's mandate that it create an uniform rule, never again used the term natural born citizen, knowing that modifying or interpreting the Constitution is strictly permitted to the Supreme Court, amendment, or an application of Article V Convention of the States.

In short, natural born citizens were born on our soil to parents who were its citizen when the child was born. Naturalized citizens are all citizen who are not natural born. Naturalization rules are constantly changing. Barack Obama told us he was naturalized. The difference between Barack and Cruz is that Barack's political opponent, the more important one, John McCain, had well known eligibility problems, so well known that Barack and his campaign co-chair, Clair McCaskill, sponsored two Senate Bills. SB2678, Feb 2008, and SR511, April 2008, to try to silence anyone who might challenge McCain's eligibility, using facts thoroughly investigated by Democrat lawyers and academics.

Obama never told us he was natural born. Cruz has claimed the he was made a natural born citizen by the 14th Amendment, which is famously a naturalization amendment. Look at the unanimous decision in Minor v. Happersett. "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." Ted Cruz, before the 14th Amendment, is defined as an "alien or foreigner". Naturalization rules implemented recently made him a citizen, even though he was born in Canada to a Cuban father, because his mother was a citizen. As several have pointed out, Winston Churchill would therfore have been a natural born citizen. Children of Osama bin Laden, several of whom were born to mothers who were U.S. citizens, and even born on U.S. soil, would be called natural born citizens by Ted.

Ted, like his and Obama's constitutional law professor Larry Tribe, doesn't like a Constitution of negative rights, a Constitution designed to retrain governments. A Constitution that would deny him the right to our highest office must be wrong. Ted, it seems, knows what the base which support he has targeted, wants to hear, and is willing to take the chance that few of them will have read original sources. Read original sources and Ted is dishonest. Even Larry Tribe has pointed out Ted, one of Tribes most adamant originalists at Harvard, is lying about still being an originalist.

Rubio, Jindal, and Haley are all Wong Kim Ark naturalized citizens. The decision was in 1895, and unequivocal. Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco to "domiciled" parents, parents who enjoyed our protections and would have naturalized but for Chinese law. Rubio, Jindal, and Haley were born to non-citizen parents all of whom claim they wanted to naturalize. No one questions that claim. But we used to be a nation of laws.

138 posted on 02/15/2016 9:41:20 PM PST by Spaulding
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Are they hiring in your fantasy world?


139 posted on 02/15/2016 9:48:20 PM PST by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: bushwon

Commie or muslim; either would try to destroy the USA — as we have so painfully observed for the past seven years.


140 posted on 02/15/2016 9:48:27 PM PST by meadsjn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160161-162 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson