Posted on 02/15/2016 7:23:05 PM PST by Helicondelta
A Republican National committeewoman from Nevada just proposed that not only is Cruz not eligible to be president, but GOP rival Marco Rubio isn't either.
Cruz's Canadian birthplace has been dragged through the press relentlessly over the last few weeks, but Rubio's birth to immigrant parents hasn't been discussed as much. Enter Diana Orrock, who not only serves the RNC, but is running for the Nevada state assembly.
She tweeted a link to an article by Devvy Kidd on conservative website News With Views. Kidd contends that because Rubio's parents were born elsewhere and weren't naturalized as citizens until he was four years old, he cannot run for the nation's highest office.
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If he wins and they try to disallow him, the Republican Party is finished. Everyone i know will walk out and change their registration as will I. We are FED Up!
As good a place as any!
Either the constitution is obeyed or we don’t have a country. It should be a very loud issue. WHY didn’t the
Republican Party VET its contenders??????????????????
Bill with pink heart undies? Are you sure? :)
(A rare thing to behold in this election year.)
“Rubio was born on U.S. soil to parents legally within the United States. “
Who didn’t apply for citizenship for 4 years after his birth. And even if you want to give them a pass on that, it’s not all that clear they intended on staying in the country at the time of his birth. There was quite a bit of traveling back and forth to Cuba with mom staying back there for about a month on one of the trips.
And this woman was where with Obama?
I posed this before also. What are differences between citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen?
Naturalized citizen is on who becomes a citizen due to a statute/naturalization process. A natural born citizen is one born of two parents who are citizens and is born on the soil of America. In other words a natural born citizen cannot possibly be anything other than American.
Here’s some information to shed light on what you stated from another thread where these issues were discussed:
If the Framers did not intend for the phrase they put into the Constitution - Natural Born Citizen - to mean what it meant at the time they wrote it, they would have written out a definition into the Constitution to redefine it. Since they did not, we can only assume it meant what the phrase meant when they wrote it out - the English common law definition - those born within the borders of the realm are naturally born citizens. There are a number of court cases where it is defined in this manner with regard to those born with far looser connections to the United States than Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, or Chester Arthur. The first case where it seems this was dealt with by a court was Lynch vs. Clarke in New York over a dispute with who could inherit property - there was a law on the books stating that only a “U.S. Citizen” could inherit property, and the presiding judge (apparently in this court the judge was called a “Vice Chancellor”) made this declaration: “Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen...Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.” In another case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court over the citizenship of a person born who was born to Chinese parents (it was illegal at that time for Chinese immigrants to become U.S. Citizens) it was declared that he was a natural born citizen by virtue of having been born in the United States, and Justice Field, who wrote the opinion, actually referenced the Lynch v. Clarke decision in the ruling of the Court: “After an exhaustive examination of the law, the Vice-Chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.” This case was In re Look Tin Sing. Another U.S. Supreme Court case was United States v. Wong Kim Ark https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649 dealing with the same issue of a child born to Chinese parents made the same ruling and also declared him to be a natural born citizen in the ruling by virtue of his right to citizenship by birth. All of those cases were in the 1800s.
There was a U.S. Supreme Court case in 1939 with the title Perkins v. Elg http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/307/325.html which dealt with the issue of a woman who was born in the U.S. to Swedish citizens who returned to Sweden with her when she was four years old. Her father was naturalized prior to this as a U.S. Citizen and held dual citizenship. She then came back to the U.S. and was admitted entry as a citizen at the age of 21. For whatever reason, her father later did away with his U.S. Citizenship status and the equivalent of the INS at the time declared she was to be deported. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against this, finding she was a natural born U.S. Citizen by right of birth and even declared she was eligible to be President of the United States in the ruling. A past President, Chester Arthur, was born with an Irish father who was not yet naturalized as a U.S. Citizen, though his mother was born in Vermont where Arthur himself was born.
Detractors like to ignore all of information and court cases and instead rely totally on a case Minor v. Happersett - seeming to deliberately misquote the ruling - indeed, the justices specifically stated they were not making a finding of every scenario that constitutes a natural born citizen in their ruling: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. ***For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.***” Minor v. Happersett - full text of ruling https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/88/162
If Rubio isn’t a citizen, then neither are all anchor babies.
And he’s running in the wrong direction!
Irrelevant. See post 91.
And don’t forget, Trump says he is going to sue Cruz over this issue if he doesn’t apologize for being mean to him!
Well Trump, if you really think Cruz is not a natural born citizen then the apology should make no difference! What a big baby!
Thanks Ed
I never thought of that... You are correct! :)
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/#
Pretty powerful and easy to understand presentation about Cruz and Rubio’s eligibility to run for POTUS.
Unfortunately, yes.
Your scenario points out the problem with the 14th amendment and jus soli as justification for citizenship at birth. In essence, this is a failure of congress to define NBC.
Personally, I would favor a meritocracy for citizenship.
“Cruz could have been born on the Moon on live television and he’d still be eligible.
Rubio was born here. ‘nuff said.
So, you’re a natural born citizen if you’re born here, and also if you’re not. LMAO Do you realize how crazy this sounds? Cruz is eligible because his mother was a citizen. Rubio is eligible because his mother was not a citizen.
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