Posted on 01/24/2016 2:17:53 PM PST by Isara
Sunday on Fox News Channel’s “MediaBuzz,” while discussing the controversy over if his birth in Canada to an American citizen mother causes him to be not eligible to run for president of the United States, Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz ..... no “actual voters” ask him about the issue.
Cruz said, “We were in the midst of a bus tour, 26 counties in six days, enormous enthusiasm, but from what you look, looking at the media, it was a great field test. We would do, at pretty much every event, a press gaggle -by the way, a lot of other candidates don’t do press gaggles. I take questions all the time. Half to two thirds of the questions from the reporters would be about Donald Trump and the latest attack, the latest Tweet. When you go into the town hall, one county, 7,000 people, in one county we had 700 people. 10% of the county came out. Another town with 600 people, 150 came –”
He continued, “But here’s my point, Howie. When we do town halls and actual voters would ask questions, nobody would ask about the silly birther attack nobody would ask about Donald Trump. They ask about the real problems facing this country. How do we defeat ISIS? How do we stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons? How do we protect our Second Amendment or religious liberty? How do we get more jobs?”
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You've been wrong on everything from Canada using the term natural born to trying to make Vattel say what he obviously didn't, but everyone ELSE here is staggeringly ignorant.
LOLOLOLOL! (wipe tears) LOLOLOLOL!
I’ll vote for him if he is nominated, but he is no more eligible than Owebowmao.
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Take a moment and read what you wrote...slowly.
I know what I wrote.
I am an originalist.
The founders used the term natural born citizen to prevent any foreign influence on the Presidency.
No foreign births.
No foreign parents.
Born here of citizen parents.
Can be nothing else but a US citizen.
Obama was a British subject.
Cruz was Canadian and Cuban as well as a US citizen.
Not natural born.
The new definition of simply being born a citizen makes every anchor baby and Winston Churchill eligible.
That is not what they meant.
You are unwarrantedly arrogant.
And yes, there laws DO have relevance as far as them making him a citizen is concerned. If they didn't he wouldn't be waving around a Canadian birth certifica
And here you veer off into the totally nonsensical.
You would have realized this were you as well-versed in Vattel as you claim to be.
Vattel has really nothing to do with Canadian Statute law and it is not necessary to make reference to Vattel in order to understand it.
Cruz's father claimed refugee status when he left Cuba with no intention to return, and resided in Canada for several years. Thus he had *quit his country*, become a member of a new society, and his son became a member of it also.
Rafael Cruz had left Cuba, and indeed if it is Cuba to which you refer, then he had "quit his country". But he had NOT quit the United States, where he was resident and legal. Eventually he did so, but Ted Cruz's mother did not, and bequeathed her citizenship to her son.
The primacy of blood does not negate the necessity of the soil.
Yes, it does. "By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights; the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him..."
You're conclusion that Vattel intended foreign born children of citizens to be natural born when he clearly did not define them as such is just as flawed as your original contention that Canada had no such term as natural born.
I beg to disagree.
Oh, wonderful confusion!
Following the condition of their fathers means they are citizens of the same country as their fathers, but not the same TYPE of citizen. If it were meant otherwise, it would say the words *natural born* in that section, but it does not.
Vattel defined ONE set of circumstances for being natural born - born in the country of parents who are it's citizens.
Have a nice day.
Those straws you are grasping at won’t help you float.
I know what I wrote.
I am an originalist.
The founders used the term natural born citizen to prevent any foreign influence on the Presidency.
No foreign births.
No foreign parents.
Born here of citizen parents.
Can be nothing else but a US citizen.
Obama was a British subject.
Cruz was Canadian and Cuban as well as a US citizen.
Not natural born.
The new definition of simply being born a citizen makes every anchor baby and Winston Churchill eligible.
That is not what they meant.
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I agree with each and every point..
Why would you vote for an unqualified candidate? Is the ascension of Mr Cruz to the Presidency so vital to the future of the Republic that informed, savvy voters will vote for him, even though he may be unqualified?
That level of hippocracy is what gave us the nightmare of obama..”He’s black, he’s cool,..I don’t care whether he is qualified or not...that hippocracy.
Cruz is not the purported savior of this country, he’s just another dishonest politician, jinking and jiving, not worthy of an honest vote.
Trump is going to sweep the nomination and the general election.
I won’t have to confront voting for another ineligible candidate this time around.
I did not vote for McCain, although it was more about amnesty than it was his Panamanian birth.
If it does come down to Cruz vs Hillary! or Bernie, you better believe I will vote for Cruz, even if he was born in Canada.
Fair enough.
| If they rule no, Trump has carte blanche to revoke everything Obama ever signed off on. Wow! Wouldn't that be something. Are you sure that the Supreme Court would have to take the case and make a decision? |
“I hear it was checked out by every attorney and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape”
My problem with Cruz....he doesn’t listen to anyone.
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Apparently he does. Since we Texans elected him he has stood firm on his promises to us voters regarding what he would fight for/against in the Senate.
If it’s so silly, why did you renounce your Natural Born Canadian Citizenship.
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He had dual citizenship. IAW the Constitution, he went to court and gave up his Canadian citizenship to prove he did not owe loyalty to a foreign country.
Did McCain to that to give up his citizenship in Panama? ...No! He has recently slammed Cruz on this topic and said the HE was born in the Canal Zone, but that’s not true; he was born in a hospital in Panama because his mom didn’t like the Navy base hospital in the CZ.
Did Obama, (assuming without any verifiable proof that he was born in HI), give up his Indonesian citizenship when he returned to the US for HS, college, etc., and become a naturalized US citizen? ...No! When his step-dad Soetero moved them to Indonesia he and his mom Stanley had to give up their US citizenship because Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship.
I find myself rambling, so I’ll stop now...
> First point: Ted Cruz would have been a citizen of the Untied States absent the act due to natural inheritance of nationality from his mother...
And the inheritance of the father?
Negative. You’re spouting BS.
Citizenship is due to statute. The status conferred is “citizen”
Valentine:
Forget your rhetoric, cite something specific.
> First point: Ted Cruz would have been a citizen of the Untied States absent the act due to natural inheritance of nationality from his mother...
What about the natural inheritance of the father? Doesn’t that count? What about the specific terms of the 1952 statute? Or doesn’t that matter? What does matter? Isn’t the 1790 act through the father? What makes the natural inheritance of the mother superior to the natural inheritance of the father? Or are you just spouting nonsense? Spouting nonsense? Spouting BS? Fountains of it.
Even if a gender neutral view is taken of all naturalization acts is does not negate the singular citizenship of the parents in 1790, 1795, et seq.
In fact you’re spewing ahistorical nonsense and nothing but.
That’s a unique scenario you proposed! As a fellow Texan, I find it interesting to think about, as in “what if?”.
McCain the non lawyer rino did take the issue seriously about his birth in Panama ......and he has two US citizen parents and born on a US military base.. McCain got the issue sign off on before he got in.....
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He was born in Panama, not the Canal Zone Navy base.
You also forget that he was a POTUS candidate in 2000 and did nothing about his birth status. ....It was Speaker Pelosi who signed the document stating he was qualified for 2008.
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