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“The talk”: 6 Muslim parents on what they tell their kids about Islamophobia
Vox ^ | January 20, 2016 | Jennifer Williams

Posted on 01/21/2016 1:17:23 PM PST by presidio9

On January 5, the Council on American-Islamic Relations offered a new service for the Muslim American families among its members: It released a guide titled "A Muslim parent's guide to talking to children about acts of violent extremism." It was meant to help parents guide their children through a new world in which the tide of Islamophobia, as well as the threat of violent extremism, is growing.

The guide reflects a difficult new truth: Muslim parents in the US and Canada today no longer just have to worry about giving their kids the "birds and the bees" talk. They must now also give the Islamophobia and extremism talk, helping their children prepare for anti-Muslim bullying and harassment, a political climate that often treats them as alien interlocutors, and, yes, the threat of radicalization.

I wanted to find out more about how these conversations were playing out in the real world, so I reached out to some Muslim parents and asked them how they're raising these issues with their kids and what they're saying. Here's what they told me. These interviews have been lightly edited for length and clarity.

Amanda Quraishi, activist, Austin, Texas:

My kids ask me things like, "What's going on in Syria?" and, "Why are guns legal?" and, "What do the terrorists want?" Often the questions come from things they hear on television or on the radio. They also come home from school with some pretty big questions after talking with their friends. Media is omnipresent in this society, and kids get exposed to all kinds of things.

My daughter came home from camp one day and was so upset because another girl had found out that she is Pakistani American. The girl told my daughter that Pakistanis are terrorists. It was very upsetting.

There's a lot of anxiety around 9/11 every year at school because there are only a couple Muslim kids in the class, and they get stared at or whispered about during the 9/11 discussions. A few weeks ago both my kids were playing an online game, and one of the other players had a username "KillAllMuslims" - they were deeply troubled by it.

I try to help them understand that most of the time Islamophobia is coming from a place of fear and uncertainty. I encourage them to look at people who are spouting Islamophobia with sympathy, and ask them to be patient. And of course, if anyone threatens them or is abusive, they know to report those people immediately. They know they can always talk to me directly about things that happen with other adults, and I will take it seriously.

Hena Zuberi, editor in chief of MuslimMatters.org, Washington, DC:

My girls are 15 and 13, and my boys are 10 and 8. A few days ago I was running late to pick them up from school and I saw they were on the sidewalk and a police officer was talking to them. My heart almost burst — he was asking them where their parents were, but my mind kept thinking back to Ahmed Mohamed, the clock kid.

I have found myself having talks with my sons, making them aware of the general perception of bearded, brown men. As they grow up, they will be profiled; that is a fact. They have to be ready to face that reality with grace so they don’t put themselves in further danger. My 10-year-old is a jokester, and I have had to categorically tell him that he cannot make any bomb jokes in school ever, that ranting on online forums is not an exercise in free speech, as Muslim men have been arrested for thought crimes.

I don’t want my children to grow up thinking they have to apologize for acts that have nothing to do with them, or to develop self-hate or internalize the hostility toward them. I also don’t want them to look at every injustice in life or every altercation or every incident through the lens of "Islamophobia," because that is not a healthy way to live. I want them to grow up unapologetically Muslim.

Mariam Ahmed, lawyer, working temporarily in Dubai:

I have two boys: Hamza is 8, and Maaz is 5. My kids are too young to know about current events aside from what I mention to them myself. I told Hamza when the Paris attacks happened, and at that time we also discussed 9/11 and the rise of ISIS in Syria.

I told him that these are bad guys who are committing crimes for their own reasons — for power, land, money, revenge. And some of them are using Islam as a way to justify some of their actions.

I had a lot of anxiety when broaching the subject with Hamza. I live in a Muslim-majority country at the moment, but I am preparing them and myself for the time when we move back to America and they will have to face the reality of life as American Muslim children.

Once I return, my concern will be that people will use their faith as a means of targeting them, and because they are growing up in Dubai right now they won’t know how to respond. But I’m also hopeful that they will have a nuanced and sophisticated view of the world and of Islam by that point and can be articulate in explaining things.

My advice in the past has been to try to befriend the bully. Sometimes people just need to realize all the things they have in common, and the urge to bully is reduced. I’m trying to encourage them to be confident and defend themselves from bullying of all kinds.

My other concern is that they may be tempted to step away from their faith if it just becomes too difficult to deal with the backlash. However, I’m hopeful things will never get quite so bad.

Walid Darab, host of a podcast on everyday life for Muslims in the West, Washington, DC:

I have a teenage daughter and an almost 2 1/2-year-old boy. The boy I'm not that worried too much about right now, but with the girl it's been very tricky because she's a hijabi [meaning she wears a hijab] and she goes to a public school.

One of her teachers makes comments that I'm very, very close to contacting the school about. She mentions things like terrorism, and then she just looks straight at my daughter. It's like, "Okay, cool. You're a professional? You're a teacher?"

I told my daughter, "High school and college, these are preparing you for the real world, because you will join a company and you won't like your manager, you won't like your co-worker, or they might say something that you don't like. It doesn't mean that you're going to come home and complain about it. You got to roll with it. You have to change. You got to be flexible."

I also told her, "You know what? You can't stop somebody from looking at you. I can’t talk to your teacher and say, 'Hey, how come you looked at my daughter when you said this word?'"

She's at the age where she's starting to inquire about [politics and world events]. She'll say, "Some people say ISIS is good; what do you think?" She'll ask me these questions. We talk about it, but I stress to her that, first of all, there's nowhere on this earth that you would want to live other than in America.

We talk about politics, because it's a juicy topic. It's juicy. Everybody likes to blame other people. "If America did this, if Palestine did this, and blah, blah, blah." But we're living in America. She has to go to school. She has to get A's. She has to go to college. We talk about it, but we talk about it with the underlying thing that, yes, it does happen. To better that in the grand scheme of things is educate yourselves and be a better Muslim here. We leave it at that, and we just move on.

Naheed Mustafa, journalist, Toronto, Canada:

You try to have these conversations with young people, and at the same time you feel like you're kind of ruining things for them. You're basically telling them that life isn't going to be a party. You actually have to worry about what you look like, and you have to worry about how other people see what you look like.

My eldest has trouble backing down. She wants to fight every fight. But that can be crippling. It's like never being able to get off the internet. So that's a conversation I've had to have with her, that you need to be able to walk away from some things.

The other thing is, who's the person? Is this a friend of yours who has genuine questions, or is this a discussion in class? Is this a professor who holds an inordinate amount of power over you and you're beholden to them, which is also a reality?

That's the other part of this that can be very frustrating, because it's the idealism of the young. It's that age-old problem where young people think old people have sold out. When I say, "You need to choose your battles," sometimes the perception might be what I'm saying is, "You need to just eat people's shit for a while," which is not what I'm saying. Managing your way in the real world requires that. You can't approach your boss in the same way that you can approach somebody who's on the train with you or whatever.

Asma Uddin, lawyer and founder of AltMuslimah, Washington, DC:

I have two kids. My daughter is 8 1/2, and my son is 4. They're not really dealing with this stuff in their day-to-day life, and they're not, thankfully, dealing with any sort of bullying comments by their peers. They're mostly still shielded from the headlines. I haven't really broached the topic head on with them. Since they're young, I'm trying to establish the foundations that my parents established for me, which was a really solid understanding of religion and God. I think of it as an interactive, personal relationship with God where we know that he's always present, that's he's protective.

I think that when they did that for me, I'm not really sure that it was even intentional on their part to do it that way, but it just happened because of that foundation as I grew up and seeing and being exposed to more and more sociopolitical issues related to Islam. Definitely my childhood wasn't free of that.

Starting at least in high school and definitely beyond, I started dealing with questions that became more pronounced, especially because I used to wear headscarves when I was in college and law school, and around the time of 9/11 I was wearing a headscarf. That automatically makes you a spokesperson and gets attention that you might not otherwise get.

I fully expect that as my kids grow up, they're going to confront these issues and have a lot of questions and probably go through a lot of their own agonizing moments. I think I'm well-positioned to help them navigate that, because I went through it as well.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: presidio9

Someone care to explain what the difference is between Nazism and Islam with the exception of the first being the “master race” and the second being the “master religion”? Because otherwise there isn’t much different. Both fascist and both deadly. They were natural allies in WWII.


21 posted on 01/21/2016 1:39:57 PM PST by DB
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To: The Toll
And the “TALK" German men are giving their daughters?

"Bleib drinnen. Nicht alleine stand. Hier, nimm meine Waffe."

22 posted on 01/21/2016 1:41:20 PM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: presidio9
The girl told my daughter that Pakistanis are terrorists. It was very upsetting.

The truth hurts. Pakistan is really the A$$-hole of the world. I've been looking, but I can't find anything good that comes from there. As far as I can see, I can find nothing from Pakistan worth using or adopting elsewhere in the world, no virtues, no craft, no history, no culture, no ideology that is at all useful elsewhere.

23 posted on 01/21/2016 1:42:38 PM PST by PGR88
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To: presidio9

John Derbyshire gets fired from National Review online for his column “The Talk” which deals with black-on-white racism and violence (which is a statistical reality). Muzzies decapitate, shoot, innocent people while shouting “allahu ackbar” or whatever the heck gibberish it is, but somehow they’re the victims. They don’t even wait for the bodies to get cold before they and the media are running towards each other to make them the story, their victimhood, never mind the headless corpse assuming room temperature.

Whites are set upon every day by gangs of blacks in the knock-out “game” yet black thugs are treated as “unarmed teen victims”.

I’m so sick of all these people, the violence is being perpetrated upon whites and Americans, yet the groups perpetrating the violence are proclaimed to be the victims. But then, Hussein won, a two-fer for violent thugs and jihadists, and stupid whites voted for him.


24 posted on 01/21/2016 1:42:51 PM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: presidio9
The guide reflects a difficult new truth: Muslim parents in the US and Canada today no longer just have to worry about giving their kids the "birds and the bees" talk. They must now also give the Islamophobia and extremism talk, helping their children prepare for anti-Muslim bullying and harassment

I'm sure the talk many American's are giving their kids is - don't go in crowded places, keep your eye out for any packages left around, if you see a muslim get on a plane, get off. etc, etc, etc.

25 posted on 01/21/2016 1:43:30 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: presidio9

The muzzie/son ‘talk? “Okay son....ANYTHING goes! Goats, Camels, Horses, Donkeys, Humans, rifle barrels....ANYTHING!!! You see it...DRILL it! allah ackbar!


26 posted on 01/21/2016 1:43:48 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Trillian

And that one moron daughter supposedly asks if ISIS is really evil? What the heck would they need to do to convince this moron, since burning people alive isn’t enough?


27 posted on 01/21/2016 1:45:10 PM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: presidio9

Islamophobia. A made up word with no serious meaning.

Common sense approach to Islam. Its a death cult out to destroy freedom and liberty and you better wise up.............


28 posted on 01/21/2016 1:45:31 PM PST by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: Trillian
This liberal propaganda is nauseating.

And this thread goes to show how unimaginative they are today. All of them believe that their greatest victory was Civil Rights and/or ending the Vietnam War.

Putting aside for a minute the facts that Republicans were most directly responsible for Civil Rights, think about how each liberal cause today seeks to borrow from the Liberal Rights playbook -women's causes, gay causes, muslim causes. And on and on.

But instead of focusing on the aspects of Civil Rights that changed the minds of racially intransigent Americans, they choose to borrow from the wrong section of the playbook, and focus on the elements that ultimately stalled Civil Rights. Black Americans are worse off today -and particularly since Barak Obama was elected president -because they have distracted themselves with the culture of victimization. Overly focusing on an invented "epidemic" of white officers shooting unarmed black teenagers has made young black males incommensurately angry, to the point where thousands in an already at-risk group have elected to remove themselves from white society entirely. How does this help them? How does this help them?

Meanwhile, statistics show that hate crimes against Jews in this country are several times higher than any other demographic, and yet they prosper and succeed. Same goes for Asians.

29 posted on 01/21/2016 1:46:19 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

“Why are guns legal?”

If my kid asked me that question I would be visiting his or her school the next day!
Don’t you teach history anymore? Don’t you teach on our Constitution anymore?


30 posted on 01/21/2016 1:50:36 PM PST by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: BenLurkin

No! Much easier to spot.


31 posted on 01/21/2016 1:53:15 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: presidio9

Why don’t you people go back where you came from. It is peaceful and quiet there. Why did you leave such a great nation? You will not be missed.


32 posted on 01/21/2016 1:59:35 PM PST by mulligan (I)
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To: DB

Both of those side claimed Master Race status - the Nazis are gone while the muslim Arabs remain the sole claimant.

There was no difference because Hitler modeled his movement on Islam.

The difference now is Hitler and the Nazis are gone.


33 posted on 01/21/2016 2:26:53 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: presidio9

I would like to know what they tell their kids about the Muslim Brotherhood and the 40 Christian churches in Egypt that were burned to the ground - and one with people in it. And the Muslims there did nothing, because they elected the Brotherhood, and just watched as the churches burned.

Don’t let these murderers ever take the moral high ground. They bully and murder people in every country they are in, Thailand, China, the Philippines, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Cameroon...and the list goes on.

What do they tell their children about Salman Rushdie?

What do they tell their children about Theo Van Gogh?

What do they tell their children about San Bernardino?

How about Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

What do they tell their children about the 1 million Armenians who were slaughtered by Muslim murderers?

What do they tell their children about the Muslim rape jihad that is occurring all over Europe?

How about the holidays in Cologne?

Are they kidding me with this alligator tear bullshit. They are the last ones to be complaining about bullying.

Go talk to some Coptic Christians, or Syrian, or Iraqi.


34 posted on 01/21/2016 2:27:01 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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To: 48th SPS Crusader

Because under Sharia law Christians and Jews cannot own weapons, but that will never happen in America because our law is superior to Sharia.


35 posted on 01/21/2016 2:30:20 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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To: presidio9

CAIR is preparing their kids to be nice little snowflakes who will melt and swoon at the first sign of ISIS propaganda becoming good little jihadis and suiciders.


36 posted on 01/21/2016 2:30:27 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: presidio9

Quote from the article: She’ll say, “Some people say ISIS is good; what do you think?”

Who on earth is the kid talking to that says ISIS is good??? Why doesn’t the father look into that???


37 posted on 01/21/2016 2:32:40 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: presidio9

Can anyone, anywhere point me towards a single act of Islamophobic crime? I have not seen ANY.


38 posted on 01/21/2016 2:33:15 PM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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To: presidio9

If they loved their children they would remove them from the death cult and teach them John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the light...”


39 posted on 01/21/2016 2:34:45 PM PST by FBRhawk (Pray with faith, act with courage, never surrender!)
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To: presidio9
A Muslim parent's guide to talking to children about acts of violent extremism."

Do they mean the acts of violent extremism committed by muslimes? The other kind is largely fictional.

40 posted on 01/21/2016 2:35:07 PM PST by IronJack
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