Cruz [Teammate]: Ted 'Identified... as a Dual Citizen...'

Breitbart ^ | 1/08/2016 | Breitbart News

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% has repeatedly defended his eligibility to be president this week, but wondering whether his Canadian birthplace would prevent him from running for the office has been on his mind since at least childhood, a classmate of his tells CNN.

[Mariner]

"Ted seeks Legal Counsel, as the media is now pressing members of Canadian Immigration and Naturalization to clear the matter up, when instead, Canadian officials confirm the Ted Cruz was in fact born a legal citizen of Canada, the son of two parents who had also applied for and received Canadian citizenship prior to Ted’s birth."

That point is so critical that it must be severely scrutinized and supporting sources found.

If both his mom and dad were Canadian citizens when he was born, and he was born in Canada, he would not even be a US citizen, much less NBC.

I'm going to look for additional sources on that, please do so too.

[Yaelle]

Obama was not born in Kenya. Clearly he was born outside the country, because otherwise he would have been able to obtain a social security number. But of course he wasn’t born in Kenya. His teen mom never lived with his father, and her parents would never have permitted her to go to Africa pregnant, where the baby daddy had his wife and kids. Preposterous. They were never together as a couple.

[TigerClaws]

Re: Profoundly confused (if not actually disturbed).

Check out what the Supreme Court has to say:

1. The very first Congress, at its Second Session, proceeded to implement its power, under the Constitution’s Art. I, § 8, cl. 4, to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” by producing the Act of March 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103. That statute, among other things, stated,

“And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States. . . .”

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/815/case.html

Naturalization defined above by the founders.

Cruz’s mother was in Canada a total of 8 years. His mother and father (formerly a Cuban citizen) both became Canadian citizens. Did she renounce her American citizenship? Does Canada (as many countries do) require someone to renounce?

If so, Cruz was born in Canada to two Canadian parents.

I’m saying that’s a major problem.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

[Jukeman]

Oh, it’s you again. Why are you such a hater? Is it because you were weened too early in life?

[grania]

If Trump didn't bring it up now, the dems would've used it during the campaign, and used it to keep him out of office. Wasn't it strange how quiet they'd gotten about the birther issue?

What Trump brought up is that Cruz had to settle that issue. So, why doesn't Cruz get the opinions he needs now, and pre-empt the issue? When he does, it could get him a lot more support, and put the issue to rest....not just now, but for the future.

[Gaffer]

Obama ‘identified’ as a foreign “Indonesian” on first applying for college here in the US, IIRC.

[RedHeeler]

Yep. Ok. The world agrees. Amazing, how lined up some facts are not, and then they are.

[TigerClaws]

Here’s the issue:

This was Vietnam era. Many went to Canada to avoid the draft, protest the war, etc.

Why didn’t they come to the U.S.? Likely the dad, who had fought for Castro, wasn’t able to come here because of his politics. Fear he might be a spy.

So they went to Canada and the dad has admitted he became a Canadian citizen.

Did his mother become a Canadian citizen as well?

Many countries DON’T allow dual citizenships. You have to give up (renounce) your citizenship of the birth country to be given citizenship to the new country.

Was Canada one such country? I’m not sure.

[Jukeman]

Still a bitter Ron Paul loser? Get over it. Ron Paul will never run again. So find another way to sooth you wounds.

[SteveSCH]

I’m sure Cruz knew he was Canadian. Cruz is no dope, and as legal scholar obsessed with running for President from a very young age you can bet he had all these angles covered a long time ago.

With that said I believe the interpretation of the constitution that grants Cruz natural citizenship. With that said this could be challenged, and we are in uncharted waters with the legality. One activist lib/commie judge can really gum up the works.

[Mariner]

"The only assertion that it did make is that this is a matter of ZERO consequence, and that I reassert now."

It's already of substantial political consequence and is likely to continue for awhile...whether there is merit to the question or not.

Ted Cruz could put it to rest tonight if he produced the paper trail.

[TigerClaws]

Or one FR member!

The Minor Court’s opinion doesn’t explicitly say whether the second class—those who are native-born but have at least one parent who was not a citizen—are naturalized citizens. There are and were laws that define such persons as citizens—for example, the 14th Amendment. But unless such persons are citizens by natural law, and not just by Constitutional or statutory law, they cannot be natural-born by definition.

But in any case, the Minor decision categorically excludes anyone who can be considered an alien or foreigner from being a natural born citizen. And, as shown above, anyone not born in the US, or anyone who has foreign citizenship, is either an alien, a foreigner, or both. And so are their children, because the natural law citizenship principle of jus sanguinis endows any such children with whatever citizenship either one of their parents has—unless the parent has renounced and relinquished any and all foreign citizenships, as all those who become naturalized US citizens are required to do. So that excludes anyone with an alien or foreign parent, where such parent has not become naturalized as a US citizen before the child’s birth, from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2840767/posts

[TigerClaws]

“Natural born citizen” hasn’t been defined by the Supreme Court.

But I think it’s someone born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents. And nothing less.

Ted Cruz is a naturalized U.S. citizen (unless his mother renounced her citizenship to become a citizen of Canada).

I don’t think he’s eligible.

Now, given the Supreme Court of late has been ignoring history, tradition, law, etc. and doing whatever they want to politically by fiat, pretty much anyone can run for president.

[cynwoody]

"Naturalized" is the opposite of "natural born". "Natural born" means a person is entitled to citizenship by reason of birth. "Naturalized" means the person was not born an American but applies to become such through established legal process. Cruz was born to an American mother. Thus, he is natural born, having been entitled to US citizenship by the circumstances of his birth.

Cruz’s mother was in Canada a total of 8 years. His mother and father (formerly a Cuban citizen) both became Canadian citizens.

Got a link for that?

Cruz's father became a Canadian. But he had no American citizenship to lose. Not so for Cruz's mother. You need to prove her renunciation or STFU!

If so, Cruz was born in Canada to two Canadian parents.

I’m saying that’s a major problem.

A major problem for you, perhaps. But not for the normally informed. Because it's a manufactured fact.

[Hetty_Fauxvert]

OFGS. Everything I’ve seen you post lately has been a swipe against Ted. Give it a rest already.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Not everything. I was beating up Rick Santorum earlier today, and also laughing at someone’s joke.

[WhiskeyX]

The “Left’ always planned to bring up the issue of the natural born citizen requirement for eligibility against Cruz, Rubio, and Jindal. Trump is denying the left the opportunity to bring up the question after the GOP nominates its candidate.

[kik5150]

Don’t bother with Tigerclaws. He’s going to keep posting the same false arguments because he knows the other Trumpbots ejaculate when they read them.

[TigerClaws]

Forgive my lack of HTML skills. I will post in CAPS to your comments:

“Naturalized” is the opposite of “natural born”. “Natural born” means a person is entitled to citizenship by reason of birth. “Naturalized” means the person was not born an American but applies to become such through established legal process. Cruz was born to an American mother. Thus, he is natural born, having been entitled to US citizenship by the circumstances of his birth.

WRONG. NATURAL BORN = BORN HERE IN THE U S OF A. NATURALIZED = MADE CITIZEN BY LAW. CRUZ WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN LAND. HE WAS MADE CITIZEN BY LAW. THUS, NATURALIZED (MADE NATURAL).

Cruz’s mother was in Canada a total of 8 years. His mother and father (formerly a Cuban citizen) both became Canadian citizens.

Got a link for that?

YES I DO:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ted-cruz-must-show-naturalization-papers-to-keep-his-us-senate-seat

Cruz’s father became a Canadian. But he had no American citizenship to lose. Not so for Cruz’s mother. You need to prove her renunciation or STFU!

I WILL EXPLORE MORE AND GET BACK TO YOU. MY BELIEVE (AND I ADMIT I HAVE NOT YET PROVED IT) IS THAT CANADA ALLOWED YOU TO BE A CITIZEN OF THEIR COUNTRY AN NO OTHER. THUS, SHE WOULD HAVE RENOUNCED. BUT I WILL FIND OUT THE LAW...

A major problem for you, perhaps. But not for the normally informed. Because it’s a manufactured fact.

SEE ABOVE.

[Hetty_Fauxvert]

If so, Cruz was born in Canada to two Canadian parents.

I’m saying that’s a major problem.
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Running around presenting this sort of “maybe possibly could-be” supposition as FACT is injurious to Cruz. Those who are less informed see this sort of stuff, tell their neighbor about it, and the first thing you know it’s a “well, everybody KNOWS . . .” item in the public consciousness that Cruz’s parents “were both Canadian” . . . that is WRONG and NOT TRUE. Are you trying to injure his candidacy on purpose? Please do your research on this stuff BEFORE you present it in a widely read forum like this one. If you can’t prove it — and I say you can’t — then kindly put a sock in it. Because it’s not nice to pass around SLURS and canards that have no basis in fact.