Cruz [Teammate]: Ted 'Identified... as a Dual Citizen...'

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[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% has repeatedly defended his eligibility to be president this week, but wondering whether his Canadian birthplace would prevent him from running for the office has been on his mind since at least childhood, a classmate of his tells CNN.

[Ciexyz]

When Cruz was running back and forth to Canada as an adult, was he taking advantage of any benefits due him as a Canadian born person, like using the Canadian health care system?

[Ciexyz]

If Cruz as an adult used the free health care in Canada on the basis of his being born in Canada, then it shows he identified as a Canadian citizen.

[John Valentine]

So I guess the question is, how did Lubetsky know Cruz was a dual citizen and yet Cruz-- supposedly sitting there ignorant, not hearing anything his buddy is saying-- did not?

Two questions here: as to the first, I assume that Lubetsky, being 100% Canadian born and raised would be more familiar with Canadian law and custom that would be Cruz, a Texan. Lubetsky, knowing the facts of Ted Cruz's birth and life, would perhaps know that Cruz was in fact a dual citizen even if Cruz was not. Cruz himself apparently always referred to himself as an American when crossing the border (and we have no idea whether this was commonplace or not).

I am not sure what would have inspired this Lubetsky to volunteer that Cruz was a dual citizen, but it isn't hard to imagine that he blurted this out after hearing Cruz identify to the border crossing official as an American.

Cruz himself would probably not have wanted to escalate this offhand remark, possibly complicating the border crossing and therefore would have shrugged it off as an inconsequential remark. I know I would have.

As for what Cruz heard or did not hear, or what importance he might have given it, I wasn't there and I have no idea.

i only know that it is a matter that is of ZERO consequence to me, any more than Trump's own possible dual citizenship at birth. Its nonsense.

[wbarmy]

I have heard the Worldwide Church of God called a lot of things, but I had not heard Armstrongite. That one is cool.

So who is the Armstrongite?

[John Valentine]

I wasn’t born in Canada and I have used the Canadian “free health care system”. So what?

What does that prove?

And anyway, do you have even the slightest evidence that Cruz - as an adult - used the free health care system in Canada in the first place? I doubt it.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me .. what’s with this “running back and forth to Canada” ..???????

When did Cruz to that ..??

[Yosemitest]

TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got !

Listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:

MARK LEVIN explains that Ted Cruz IS a natural born citizen ( 7:30 )
Published on Sep 17, 2013

Here's the supporting article from Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies and editor-in-chief of the Cato Supreme Court Review.
Like most immigrants, he does a job Americans won't: defending the Constitution.

Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President
August 26, 2013., by Ilya Shapiro

As we head into a potential government shutdown over the funding of Obamacare, the iconoclastic junior senator from Texas - - love him or hate him - - continues to stride across the national stage.
With his presidential aspirations as big as everything in his home state, by now many know what has never been a secret:
Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

(Full disclosure: I'm Canadian myself, with a green card.
Also, Cruz has been a friend since his days representing Texas before the Supreme Court.)

But does that mean that Cruz's presidential ambitions are gummed up with maple syrup
or stuck in snowdrifts altogether different from those plaguing the Iowa caucuses?
Are the birthers now hoist on their own petards,
having been unable to find any proof that President Obama was born outside the United States
but forcing their comrade-in-boots to disqualify himself by releasing his Alberta birth certificate?

No, actually, and it's not even that complicated; you just have to look up the right law.
It boils down to whether Cruz is a "natural born citizen" of the United States,
the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency.
(The Founding Fathers didn't want their newly independent nation to be taken over by foreigners on the sly.)

What's a "natural born citizen" ?
The Constitution doesn't say,
but the Framers' understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that
the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents - - in a manner regulated by federal law - -
and birth within the nation's territory regardless of parental citizenship.
The Supreme Court
has confirmed that definition on multiple occasions
in various contexts.

There's no ideological debate here:
Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe and former solicitor general Ted Olson - -
who were on opposite sides in Bush v. Gore among other cases
- - co-authored a memorandum in March 2008 detailing the above legal explanation in the context of John McCain's eligibility.
Recall that McCain --
lately one of Cruz's chief antagonists
- - was born to U.S. citizen parents serving on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone.

In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth - -
as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later ("naturalizes"
or who isn't a citizen at all
- - can be president.

So the one remaining question is
whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth.
That's an easy one.
The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."
In addition to those who are born in the United States or born outside the country to parents who were both citizens - -
or, interestingly, found in the United States without parents and no proof of birth elsewhere - -
citizenship goes to babies born to one American parent who has spent a certain number of years here.

That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 - - Cruz was born in 1970 - -
someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years,
including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen.
Cruz's mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. Q.E.D.

So why all the brouhaha about where Obama was born, given that there's no dispute that his mother, Ann Dunham, was a citizen?
Because his mother was 18 when she gave birth to the future president in 1961
and so couldn't have met the 5-year-post-age-14 residency requirement.
Had Obama been born a year later, it wouldn't have mattered whether that birth took place in
Hawaii,
Kenya,
Indonesia,
or anywhere else.
(For those born since 1986, by the way,
the single citizen parent must have only resided here for five years,
at least two of which must be after the age of 14.)

In short, it may be politically advantageous for Ted Cruz to renounce his Canadian citizenship before making a run at the White House,
but his eligibility for that office shouldn't be in doubt.
As Tribe and Olson said about McCain - -
and could've said about
Obama,
or the Mexico-born George Romney,
or the Arizona-territory-born Barry Goldwater
- - Cruz "is certainly NOT the hypothetical 'foreigner'
who John Jay and George Washington were concerned might usurp the role of Commander in Chief."

[TigerClaws]

Not sure it’s nonsense..

Obama was NOT eligible to run for the presidency because he was born outside the United States to a non-citizen Kenyan father and a mother (citizen but less than ten years).

There was a case a few years before Obama’s birth that made it clear he would NOT be even considered a citizen:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/366/308.html

Obama’s mother came to Hawaii and, after the fact, obtained a birth certificate to complete the fraud.

That’s the BC we had months of controversy over that was never produced. Instead we got a made up document by the Hawaiian authorities.

Did you miss the entire ‘birther’ issue?

I actually believe in the rule of law and the Constitution. This is a serious issue.

I like Cruz’s policies. I hate Obama and voted against him. Twice. Campaigned against him.

But for those interested in what American law says about the issue of “natural born citizen” I’ve posted the links. I’m not attacking Cruz specifically. Nor will I ignore Constitutional issues for ANY candidate. I’m not a hypocrite.

So it’s an issue courts will decide.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Cruz himself apparently always referred to himself as an American when crossing

Let's look at the sentence again:

Lubetsky said he remembered one occasion at a border crossing where Cruz identified himself as a dual citizen, "because I pointed him to and said he was a dual citizen."

The "because" is only an explanation of why Cruz identified himself as a dual citizen. This contradicts your assertion that Cruz didn't "notice." Thus, the student's recollection of Cruz is not invalid.

Also, when the student says it was Cruz's "routine" to identify as an American, it does not restrict the meaning to "always," just "usual" or "almost every time" at best.

[TigerClaws]

1. Where’s the birth certificate for Cruz’s mom? Please produce that for me as the Cruz campaign has not.

2. Cruz’s parents lived for EIGHT years in Canada. Did his mother file tax returns for the U.S. during that time?

3. Did Cruz’s mother ever renounce her U.S. citizenship?

4. Did Cruz’s mother ever visit the U.S. Embassy in Canada to register Ted as a U.S. Citizen?

5. The process by which a parent overseas gives birth to a U.S. Citizen baby is one of “Naturalization.”

The USSC has said “naturalization” while conferring citizenship, is distinct from being a natural born citizen, which entitles one to run for President.

Here are some legal cases to check out, if you’re so inclined:

in Rogers v Bellei, Montana v Kennedy, Zimmer v Acheson

Here’s one for starters:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/815/case.html

We pointed out years ago there was a serious problem with Obama’s eligibility and were ridiculed wildly.

The Constitution (I hear) is still the law of the land.

So this is a big issue. I’d expect the Court now though to allow anyone and everyone to run for Presidency, but we will see.

[John Valentine]

Ahhhh,,, I didn’t realize you were there that day! I should have known.

Also, since I was NOT there, I did not make any assertion as to what Cruz did or did not do or say. So, don’t try to put words in my mouth.

The only assertion that it did make is that this is a matter of ZERO consequence, and that I reassert now.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Ahhhh,,, I didn’t realize you were there that day! I should have known.

It's the quote, with a sentence structure of "Noun - Verb-- object of verb". "Cruz identified himself", etc.

That's all I need to know about it.

[TigerClaws]

And a FR member wrote this excellent essay on the topic of “natural born citizen”:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2840767/posts

[SteveSCH]

He would go to Canada with the Princeton debate team. I doubt he had need to use the healthcare system.

Also each province as their own separate system, and from what I understand you need to be a resident of the province in question to be eligible for their healthcare. So just because Cruz was born in Alberta, he wouldn’t have birthright to Ontario’s healthcare, but he does have birthright to be President of the USA ;)

[SteveSCH]

There’s only one way to solve this Cruz birther issue...

Throw a bag of milk at him, if he knows what to do with it he’s Canadian.

[John Valentine]

Congratulations on your psychic abilities.

[cynwoody]

The process by which a child of citizen parents becomes a citizen of the U.S. is NATURALIZATION.

You are profoundly confused (if not actually disturbed).

Cruz arrived in the world an American because of his mother. Any consular bureaucratic procedure surrounding the event was just to confirm it. It did not make him a citizen. Because he already was, by virtue of his birth.

Naturalization is the process a non-American undergoes in order to become an American. E.g., Arnold Schwarzenegger or Henry Kissinger. Neither man is an American by birth. Being not American at birth, they needed "NATURALIZATION" to become American.

But, unlike Arnold and Henry, Cruz is a natural born citizen and eligible to be President, with no need to be naturalized!

[RedHeeler]

BHO is not eligible to be Our President of the United States of America.

He is eligible to be a citizen of Kenya.

Regardless, this muslim bastard of humanity was allowed to occupy Our highest office.

Our current state of affairs is under illegal siege by piracy under color of congressional authority.

We have been usurped and overtaken by the soft easiness of comfortable citizens.

Get ready for the next go-round. Pray and work for your & Our survival.

The whole world is at stake. Get ready, idiots- wrap yourselves in morons...

[TigerClaws]

Many of the Supreme Court cases mention the concern of ‘dual loyalty’ for citizens that aren’t “natural born citizens.” Likely why Cruz decided to ax his Canadian citizenship.

Did Cruz actually say as an adult he had no idea he was a Canadian citizen? He obviously knew this his entire life.

IF his mother renounced her U.S. citizenship, he’d have been born to two Canadians (his father was a Cuban then Canadian citizen - later to renounce the Canadian citizenship).

If that’s the case, no doubt he’s not NBC and likely not a U.S. citizen at all.

Who has those records? Aren’t they public?

[Yaelle]

I cannot believe how crazy this is. A natural born citizen is a person who is automatically a citizen at birth. Like McCain. Like Cruz. Like, currently, anyone born here even to illegal parents, which I do think we should change.

My son was born to me, an American, outside the country. He had his pass from the American embassy within days. His birth certificate is an original, not filed anywhere. He was born an American. The same is true for Ted Cruz. He did not need to be naturalized.