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Why are FReepers rallying around a crony socialist?

Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus

Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.

He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.

Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.

Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."

That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.

Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.

But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"

Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.

I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?

Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruzbotvanity; cruzcandadian; election2016; fino; idiot; lame; moron; newyork; tds; thegreatintender; trump; trumpnotownedbypacs; vanity; yawn
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To: dangus

The reason Trump is doing so well is that he is fearlessly, effectively, and courageously fighting the enimies of America. He has been rewarded for taking up the fight and trusting the American people. It is pretty much that simple.


241 posted on 12/24/2015 12:00:17 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: dangus

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You have presented the known facts WRT Trump.

Where do you wish to be buried?

Speaking the truth about Trump here is like defaming Uncle Mo in Saudi Arabia.
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242 posted on 12/24/2015 12:55:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Lion Den Dan

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Do you have a link to the ‘blog?’

This is good stuff, I want to read more.


243 posted on 12/24/2015 12:58:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: central_va

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How is Mr. Establishment Donald Trump, the beneficiary of every crony capitalist coven, not Establishment?

You really have to explain this one.


244 posted on 12/24/2015 1:01:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Lion Den Dan

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So, Trump Truth is hatred?

Show us how.


245 posted on 12/24/2015 1:03:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dware

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One thing is for sure: - There will never be a Trump administration.
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246 posted on 12/24/2015 1:05:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dangus

Yawn!


247 posted on 12/24/2015 1:05:48 PM PST by dforest
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To: dware

He will not run on a ticket with trump. Many who support Sen. Cruz would no longer vote for him. Ever.


248 posted on 12/24/2015 1:07:13 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

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People that share Trump’s politics are the enemies of America.

America is about freedom, not top down control


249 posted on 12/24/2015 1:07:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: sitetest

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The only way there can be a Trump ticket is if he takes the Democrat nomination.


250 posted on 12/24/2015 1:09:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dangus
I think this is what you were looking for, gogeo...

So, dangus - it's OK if you see other men. Your woman said so...

251 posted on 12/24/2015 1:15:32 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: gogeo
I'm not going to call you an idiot. I'll just idly wonder if you cry yourself to sleep every night.

I posted #251 for dangus, after seeing your inspiring post. :)

252 posted on 12/24/2015 1:17:14 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor

He likes to endorse those we’ve opposed....and of course he’s a crony capitalist who has made much of his wealth by utilizing the power of government for his own personal gain.....but hasn’t done a thing with that power to fight the conservative he now claims as his.....It’s well known Trump has a history of avoiding the free market and instead getting in bed with the state.

A truly good businessman accepts his competition and innovates to try and beat it — not use the arm of government to prevent it; a good businessman creates jobs without using the arm of the state to squash other people from creating jobs; and a good businessman respects the private property rights of others at all times, not just when it suits his needs.

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/trump-romney.jpg


253 posted on 12/24/2015 1:17:18 PM PST by caww
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To: Lion Den Dan

Blog?


254 posted on 12/24/2015 1:19:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (Many people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
BTW, who are you? Oh wait, no one cares

Likewise, I'm sure. :)

Say, you know you kind of look like David Spade?

Maybe you could get some lessons in wit from Spade, if you played the doppelganger card wright...

255 posted on 12/24/2015 1:20:22 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor

editor-surveyor weighs in, like the splash from my water closet this morning...


256 posted on 12/24/2015 1:21:36 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Osage Orange; Lion Den Dan
Lion Den Dan updated his observation.

It was even better the second time around:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3376335/posts?page=201#201

257 posted on 12/24/2015 1:24:16 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor; Lion Den Dan
TDeditor-surveyor wrote: Do you have a link to the 'blog?'

This is good stuff, I want to read more.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3376335/posts?page=201#201

258 posted on 12/24/2015 1:26:29 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor; Nuc 1.1
People that share Trump's politics are the enemies of America

Ohnoes! Looks like it time to play Trump!:

Your play, TDe-s...

259 posted on 12/24/2015 1:29:07 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: editor-surveyor

Sadly, he might win the nomination and election. Sometimes, bad things happen. That would probably end the Republic. I don’t know whether trump would be a transitional figure of incomplete tyranny to total talitarianism, or would bring complete totalitarianism with him.

Cruz or lose. America.


260 posted on 12/24/2015 1:31:35 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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