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Rise of Donald Trump Divides Black Celebrities He Calls His Friends
New York Times ^ | 12/21/2015 | By MAGGIE HABERMAN and STEVE EDER

Posted on 12/21/2015 1:04:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Not long ago, Donald J. Trump and Russell Simmons were close.

The hip-hop mogul and his brother Rev. Run would fly on Mr. Trump's private plane to Mar-a-Lago, the real estate developer’s lavish Florida resort. Mr. Simmons even had a playful nickname for Mr. Trump: Richie Rich.

When Mr. Simmons was going through a divorce, Mr. Trump's teasing phone calls lifted his spirits.

"He'd say funny stuff," Mr. Simmons said, adding that he had put Mr. Trump on speakerphone so that others could hear Mr. Trump's jovial taunts about his ex-wife getting the upper hand in the divorce. "He'd say, 'Oh, she killed you.' "

But the bond between the two men came apart this month: After Mr. Trump called for Muslims to be barred from entering the United States, Mr. Simmons denounced his onetime friend, telling him in an open letter to "stop fueling fires of hate."

Mr. Trump's rise in the contest for the Republican presidential nomination -- which has also prompted accusations that he is using racially charged rhetoric and has drawn comparisons to the segregationist George Wallace -- has created some discord among African-American celebrities whom Mr. Trump has called friends. The billionaire developer has long courted personalities from the worlds of sports and entertainment, including the boxer Mike Tyson, the former Chicago Bulls forward Dennis Rodman, and the rapper and producer Sean Combs -- and he has made them part of his world in strikingly personal ways.

Some of Mr. Trump's African-American friends and acquaintances say they are mystified by the candidate's sweeping attacks on minority groups. In addition to his comments about Muslims, he has said Mexico sends "rapists" and other criminals to the United States; has exaggerated the role of blacks in violent crime;

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: wideawake

Ha, you’re right. Just drift along and forget our roots don’t include donors to Hillary and Reid. Forget that there are real conservatives in the race. Pretend that a billionaire braggart working on his third wife, who just became a situational conservative, is the answer.


21 posted on 12/21/2015 1:40:21 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution. Go Cruz.)
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To: SeekAndFind

22 posted on 12/21/2015 1:41:10 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Angels27

Cruz will pass amnesty as sure as my little yorkie loves me. He did not have an illegal immigration plan for months, while the other candidates had detailed ones. And now he can not utter the word Deport, so the tens of millions get to stay (which us the definition of amnesty). And he covers up his real intent with lawyer words, like “I don’t intend to...”, instead of just saying it straight out. Even Rubio saw through that and says their plans are similar.

Freepers think they will get a conservative, when instead they will get 20 million more democrat voters and the end of any chance of conservatism.


23 posted on 12/21/2015 1:41:34 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Trump was a racist who hated black people.

Now you’re telling me he has black friends...


24 posted on 12/21/2015 1:42:10 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: CottonBall

Oh but they really don’t care about that, they don’t even think about that. They’re too busy posting anti-Trump screeds to FR. LOL


25 posted on 12/21/2015 1:43:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: kiryandil

Yep, this is now the latest move....green lit by Valerie J’s mouthpiece BO.

Now, look, all sorts of media stories on how Trump is racist.

What. a. NOT Shock.


26 posted on 12/21/2015 1:43:49 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: CottonBall; Angels27

RE: Cruz will pass amnesty as sure as my little yorkie loves me. He did not have an illegal immigration plan for months, while the other candidates had detailed ones.

_____________________________________

Please consider these write-ups before you make such a conclusion:

1) CRUZ PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:
SECURE THE BORDER, RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW, AND PROTECT AMERICANS

https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/

2) Defiant Jeff Sessions on ‘Gang of Eight’: ‘Every Step of the Way, Ted Cruz Was on My Side’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/19/defiant-jeff-sessions-on-gang-of-eight-every-step-of-the-way-ted-cruz-was-on-my-side/


27 posted on 12/21/2015 1:52:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: elhombrelibre; All
Superficial pop culture helped create this guy.

First Trump had to become successful.  Then he was hired to do a program for NBC.  Pop culture did nothing to create this guy.  He created his own success very step of the way.

Sure, he took the multi-millions he inherited from dad and went on to use crony capitalistic connections with the Democrat party to become a billionaire.

Frederick Christ "Fred" Trump (October 11, 1905 – June 25, 1999)  By the time of his death, (Fred) Trump was estimated to have amassed a fortune worth $250 to $300 million.  LINK

Meanwhile, Forbes estimated that (Donald) Trump's net worth in 1988 was $1 billion, growing to about $4 billion in 2015...  LINK

By all means moron, please explain how Donald inheritied his dad's fortune 11 years before he died.  While you're at it, explain how Trump became worth $1 billion before inheriting his dad's wealth.  You might also want to exlain how his dad's weath at his death in 1999 was only $250 - $300 million, but by that time Donald was worth billions.

But at the end of the day, there are many rich real estate developers richer than even THE DONALD.

Oh damn, and here I was voting for Trump because I thought he was the richest real estate developer...., you do realize what an idiot you are, right?

Trump is a candidate today because of his comfort with tawdry pop culture.

In your pathetic excuse for a mind, this is what makes sense to you.  Of course it's pure nonsense.  Trump is a candidate today because he felt he could help make the nation better.  I would venture to state that this is the mindset of just about every presidential candiate.  He developed a platform, ran as a Republican, and the people liked what they saw and heard.  

Let's look at pop culture for a moment.  Do you think PeeWee Herman, Cindy Lauper, Adam Levine, Carson Daily, Paula Abdul, Howard Stern, or Heidi Klum could run for president and turn out public opinion like Trump has?

I'd don't, and I doubt many other people think so either.  Trump has been a valuable producer for the people who work for him, and his platform has resonated with the public.  You are an absolute fool if you buy the idea only his on-air personna was afforded him this success.   


Think about and his many donations to Democrats when he tries to split the conservative vote and claim he’s really been with us all along.

Trump donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republicans who did not hold office in his state.  Did that make him a Republican?  It's would be strange for anyone who read your post here, to wonder why you attribute his donations to Democrats to infer he was a devout Democrat, but massive donations to Republicans didn't mean he was a devout Republican.  You folks who post this rot on the forum are not only dishonest with everyone else, but you're even dishonest about it with yourself.


He’s as faithful to us as his vows to his three wives.

You are despicable and dishonest.  Ronald Reagan was faithful to us.  We don't know why Trump was divorced twice.  Was it his fault, or the fault of his wives?  What has that to do with him running for the presidency?

28 posted on 12/21/2015 1:53:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne ((It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: CottonBall
And now he can not utter the word Deport, so the tens of millions get to stay (which us the definition of amnesty).

Add his other achievements:
- Voted for Corker bill that gave Iran $150 Billion AND nukes
- Voted for TPA
- Helped his BFF Glen Beck hand out teddy bears to illegals crossing illegally into America

Cruz, just another slick talking lawyer, cannot be trusted and is clearly a puppet for a Billionaire traitor pushing to destroy America.

29 posted on 12/21/2015 1:54:49 PM PST by newfreep (TRUMP & <S>Cruz</S> 2016 - "Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: SeekAndFind
Some of Mr. Trump's African-American friends and acquaintances say they are mystified by the candidate's sweeping attacks on minority groups.

Yup, "New York Slimes"
30 posted on 12/21/2015 1:55:33 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: DoughtyOne

Trump is a candidate today because of his comfort with tawdry pop culture
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Might add that our current leader has the Oprah seal of approval.


31 posted on 12/21/2015 2:05:15 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: elhombrelibre

As a businessman, he was cozy with all segments of the political spectrum. Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat. Zell Miller was once a Democrat. Trump is risking huge sums of money as former business associates will turn against him. So far, I think he genuinely cares about this country and wants to make it great again. We will see that we will have policy differences domestically, but fortunately he gets it that we are at war and in great peril right now. If he hires the right people, which he has a track record of doing, he will get good advice and make the right decisions.


32 posted on 12/21/2015 2:18:20 PM PST by doug from upland (Some of you keep telling yourself -- Romney would have been as bad or worse.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump needs to immediately hire a Business Czar, who will organize training workshops in minority high unemployment areas and partner with black entrepreneurs to create jobs and give them hope.


33 posted on 12/21/2015 2:21:12 PM PST by doug from upland (Some of you keep telling yourself -- Romney would have been as bad or worse.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Tell that to the middle eastern muslims that have no time for Black African muslims.


34 posted on 12/21/2015 2:48:31 PM PST by Fernet Branca (#blackdogsmatter)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, it sounds good and is the 2nd best written plan out there.

But there are discrepancies, omissions, silences, vague statements, donor issues, and lawyer-speak phrases that make me doubt any of it is real.


35 posted on 12/21/2015 6:58:57 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall

Can you elaborate?


36 posted on 12/21/2015 7:23:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: CottonBall

I already have, in this thread.


37 posted on 12/21/2015 7:30:25 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: DoughtyOne; elhombrelibre
First Trump had to become successful. Then he was hired to do a program for NBC. Pop culture did nothing to create this guy.

He used pop culture before that -- the glitzy guy was well known as a pop icon before the NBC show

You are right that the direct inheritance from Fred Trump was not a factor in his rise, but Fred did give Donald a number of breaks to start off his career -- perhaps elhombre refers to that?

38 posted on 12/22/2015 3:00:07 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: elhombrelibre
Reagan was divorced. His first wife was Jane Wyman, mother to Maureen, the best of the three biological children.
39 posted on 12/22/2015 3:12:17 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: doug from upland
Trump needs to immediately hire a Business Czar, who will organize training workshops in minority high unemployment areas and partner with black entrepreneurs to create jobs and give them hope.

Because one thing that Trump will certainly love is another expensive, Big Government solution. And that's because he isn't a conservative.

Train them for what? Factory jobs? Will the government create those as well? Blue collar jobs? There are junior colleges offering vocational training all over the country already. Trump's scheme would be redundant and at the end of the day would accomplish little for the money it spent. But Trump could slap his name on it and that would make it worthwhile.

40 posted on 12/22/2015 3:41:08 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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