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The people that so many of us don’t consider people (Down Syndrome)
NY Post ^ | 12/14/15 | Bethany Mandel

Posted on 12/15/2015 6:54:13 AM PST by wagglebee

"I'm here. I'm alive. I'm human."

That's what John, one of the stars of A&E's new reality show "Born This Way," proclaimed during the premiere episode last week.

You see, John has Down syndrome.

It seems bizarre that someone capable of formulating a sentence thinks it's necessary to defend his own humanity, but sadly, John was speaking for himself and millions of others like him who, based on a prenatal genetic test, were recommended for abortion.

John survived. Most don't.

The statistics are hard to pin down, but experts estimate 90 percent of babies with Down syndrome are never born. Think about the last time you saw a child with the telltale facial features indicative of the genetic condition. It's far more likely you'll see them in an adult, who was born before prenatal testing became routine. That doesn’t mean Down syndrome is becoming less prevalent; it means that parents are less and less likely to carry these pregnancies to term.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; downsyndrome; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Which James Bond film was it where the maniacal gozillionaire scientist/sociologist was zipping into space with his perfect people to repopulate the utopia he was creating after depopulating earth and Ted Cassidy (Lurch) and his almost dwarf girlfriend where part of it until they realized they were marked for elimination?

It was 1979's Moonraker. But it wasn't Ted Cassidy (who was already dead) - it was Richard Kiel.

Regards,

21 posted on 12/15/2015 7:34:27 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: lee martell

They trusted God more than man.


22 posted on 12/15/2015 7:36:16 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
I think it was Moonraker (probably the worst Bond movie ever).
23 posted on 12/15/2015 7:36:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I grew up with a Down’s Syndrome girl, she was a the daughter of my mom’s best friend. She was severely handicapped but was the kindest, most loving person I’ve ever known. She died at the age of twenty and her mother still mourns her passing. Her parents never considered her a burden. They were blessed by her. I’m sure that while the mother was pregnant she was hoping for a healthy baby, but she never, ever, complained about raising Sheila. As I said , she was the most loving person I ever knew. I don’t think she ever had a bad day!


24 posted on 12/15/2015 7:41:26 AM PST by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: lee martell; DJ MacWoW; Responsibility2nd; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; xzins; ...
That’s a brave couple who were well informed and still ready to accept whatever should happen. Admirable.

Admirable?

You consider it praiseworthy for parents to NOT kill their children?

25 posted on 12/15/2015 7:41:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: lee martell; wagglebee; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...

“Is it not a natural thing for parents to wish for and prefer a healthy baby, with manageable health status? “

Not as a justification for murder. Is it not a natural thing for a young couple to desire to win the super lotto ?


26 posted on 12/15/2015 7:43:43 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: GraceG

I agree.

And I am not being sarcastic.

That fellow has wonderful achievements.

Millennials have a worse situation than Downs Syndrome. Many have fallen into the leftist traps and are just totally completely absolutely worthless. They will never be any better than what they are today.


27 posted on 12/15/2015 7:44:05 AM PST by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: lee martell

Of course it is natural to want a healthy baby. It is a shock and a grief to find out that your baby will have intellectual limitations and possible life-threatening malformations.

But for most people the baby in the womb IS their baby. They are not thinking of it as “the fetus” or “our potential child.” Then comes the shock of a bad prenatal diagnosis, and perhaps the child reverts to that potential status - becomes sort of a changeling - there may be pressure or expectations from the doctor to abort - they don’t know people with Down syndrome children - they think of the burden a handicapped child will place on them, and manage to convince themselves they are doing the best thing for their child.

I miscarried a baby with Down syndrome. There was a kind of relief when we got the genetic results back - not my fault - don’t have that burden - can try again.

My cousin has a child with DS. That child is happy and beloved. Her life is not a burden to her, whatever struggles her parents face, and they are meeting those challenges well.


28 posted on 12/15/2015 7:48:03 AM PST by heartwood
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To: lee martell

It sounds as if your worldview came straight from Planned Parenthood.


29 posted on 12/15/2015 7:52:51 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: wagglebee

“John was speaking for himself and millions of others like him who, based on a prenatal genetic test, were recommended for abortion. John survived. Most don’t. The statistics are hard to pin down, but experts estimate 90 percent of babies with Down syndrome are never born....”

So the NYP is suddenly against abortions or are they only against aborting children w Down’s syndrome?


30 posted on 12/15/2015 7:56:03 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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To: pgkdan
You were blessed to have know that little girl. Yes they are just precious. My 17 yr old grandson, is just WOW to me. I can't imagine life without him, he brings joy every where he goes and to all he meets.

Actually friends don't want to see us (grandparents) they ask where is Nate. Very smart, energetic, mischievous and a real smart A$$ at times. He came with a guaranteed to please label when he was born. A true gift from GOD. We are blessed.

31 posted on 12/15/2015 7:57:08 AM PST by annieokie
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To: lee martell

You’re entirely correct; it is perfectly normal for parents to want a “normal” child. However, it is wrong to think that an “abnormal” child cannot be a blessing to a family. I know people who have children with Down’s and, except in the most severe cases, most think their children are the most loving and least demanding.

As for aborting “abnormal” children, my cousin’s wife was told her baby had a 60% chance of having Down’s and she chose to abort the baby against my cousin’s wishes. She had the abortion rather late, they tested the baby and it would have been perfectly normal. That episode destroyed their family and their marriage.

And as to imposing our beliefs, we, as a society, have a responsibility to determine what’s right and what’s wrong. That calculation is the basis of our laws. Is our society’s acceptance of the routine abortion of “imperfect” children really any different than the cleansing of abnormal children practiced by ISIS and Hitler before them...?


32 posted on 12/15/2015 7:59:32 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: wagglebee
A&E's new reality show "Born This Way,"

I've seen the name using my streaming device but I haven't watched it because I thought it was a show to promote perverted sex (homosexuality).

33 posted on 12/15/2015 8:00:07 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: libertylover
That's what I had thought too.
34 posted on 12/15/2015 8:11:08 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I’ve actually had people express admiration for me, because I haven’t killed my husband, a stroke survivor. As disgusting as that is, it only really hurts when it comes from family. When it comes from anyone else, especially in the medical field, I simply cut off contact with them. With family, it’s a bit more complicated. I pray I outlive him. I fear for his safety if I don’t. Anyone who thinks it takes bravery to not murder a disabled family member, should never be trusted.


35 posted on 12/15/2015 8:11:32 AM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
The world has gone mad.
36 posted on 12/15/2015 8:12:40 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Moonraker?


37 posted on 12/15/2015 8:16:38 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: BykrBayb

I’m in the medical profession and inammsorry anyone has ever made a comment like that to you. It’s appalling and shameful to me that so many of my colleagues think that way.

I spent 6 years as a critical care nurse before returning to grad school. I now work in a children’s hospital for the last 10 years. Our Down’s patient population has dwindled significantly & noticeably. Sadly, I know why.


38 posted on 12/15/2015 8:20:35 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel)
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To: BykrBayb
Anyone who thinks it takes bravery to not murder a disabled family member

Many have simply never had to deal with it. Those of us who have ...

It's just the right thing to do. We take care of each other.

39 posted on 12/15/2015 8:21:49 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: GraceG

He’s 50?

Now I feel old.


40 posted on 12/15/2015 8:38:39 AM PST by redgolum
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