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Five Myths About Marijuana and You
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/28/2015 | James Arlandson

Posted on 10/28/2015 6:37:46 AM PDT by rktman

Myths about marijuana are apparent in college papers, online, and in the media. The users are eager to believe they don’t have a problem, so an entire mythology has grown up around the plant.

But here are the counterarguments

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There will be an initiative on the '16 ballot in NV to "tax and regulate" weed in the state. But, I'm thinkin' it's basically gonna be to make it recreational. Apparently "they" have designated 40 or 44 outlets around the state but mostly in Las Vegas. If I remember right(?) 4 in the Reno area. Mrs. rktman read something the other day that in Oregon, you can NOT smoke cigs indoors but weed you can. WHAT? Wonder what the studies 50 years down the road will reveal? IF you can believe studies.
1 posted on 10/28/2015 6:37:46 AM PDT by rktman
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The ‘war on drugs’ has cost more lives, cost more money, and destroyed more businesses than anything else. Prohibition does not work, never has, never will. Cigarette smuggling is now a major business in New York.

Decriminalize it, tax it, license it, use the proceeds for treatment. It will fund treatment, get the gangs out of the drug business.


2 posted on 10/28/2015 6:40:13 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: rktman

The ‘war on drugs’ has cost more lives, cost more money, and destroyed more businesses than anything else. Prohibition does not work, never has, never will. Cigarette smuggling is now a major business in New York.

Decriminalize it, tax it, license it, use the proceeds for treatment. It will fund treatment, get the gangs out of the drug business.


3 posted on 10/28/2015 6:40:28 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: rktman

The ‘war on drugs’ has cost more lives, cost more money, and destroyed more businesses than anything else. Prohibition does not work, never has, never will. Cigarette smuggling is now a major business in New York.

Decriminalize it, tax it, license it, use the proceeds for treatment. It will fund treatment, get the gangs out of the drug business.


4 posted on 10/28/2015 6:40:53 AM PDT by rstrahan
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They’re going to try again in 2017 to get weed legalized in Florida by a constitutional amendment.

I’ve said from the beginning that the constitutional amendment process is the wrong avenue for pot legalization, but these idiots keep trying because the legislature won’t hear it despite legalizing “Charlotte’s Web” and other non-hallucinogenic forms of cannabis.

If anyone tells you that they want it legalized for “medicinal purposes,” they’re liars.


5 posted on 10/28/2015 6:40:55 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rktman

We’re on a dark path that’ll eventually be overturned. It’ll take a bit, but it’ll happen. Sadly, society has to have the bad done before it can be stopped.


6 posted on 10/28/2015 6:42:24 AM PDT by Monty22002
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...use the proceeds for treatment...

Tobacco and Gasoline taxes have had a habit of being used for non-related spending.
How will they keep this in the box? If they can do that, I might agree.

7 posted on 10/28/2015 6:45:30 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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If you smoke it, it's not medicine.

If you inhale it, you are damaging your lung tissue.

Just look at the black tar that accumulates on the inhaled end of a joint.

Pot smokers on track for lung/breathing pathologies.

The young ones will just get 3D printed new lungs and keep on toking.

8 posted on 10/28/2015 6:50:05 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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“If anyone tells you that they want it legalized for “medicinal purposes,” they’re liars.”

I agree. I’ve got more respect for the Colorado crowd who at least acknowledge its for recreation.

Right about now is when somebody chimes in that their Uncle Mullet was sick from chemo, and the weed made him feel better...

...ergo have the twenty something crowd in LA needs a medical weed card.


9 posted on 10/28/2015 6:53:36 AM PDT by lacrew
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Frankly, I don’t care if some idiot wants to ruin his or her life smoking pot.

I DO care that the ever-expanding police state continues to use marijuana as an excuse to destroy the Constitution.


10 posted on 10/28/2015 6:54:12 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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:: Frankly, I don’t care if some idiot wants to ruin his or her life smoking pot ::

The problem here is that, once a law, legalizing the use, is passed that “ruined life” is being supported by your wallet.


11 posted on 10/28/2015 7:00:16 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (BREAKING: Boy Scouts of America Changes Corporate Identity to "Scouting for Boys in America")
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To: rstrahan

They will not use the proceeds for treatment and it will not get the gangs off the street.

Example: Tobacco payoffs to the states as well as SS fund. The advent of legal grass with taxes in Colorado has raised the price so high that it is cheaper to continue buying from the street dealer. Every one of your reasons(not new as we used to advocate the same things back in the 60’s) are all full of bull excrement. I sometimes think my grandpa had the right idea concerning drug dealers; public hanging after conviction. He said it worked pretty darn good with the train robbers and cattle rustlers.


12 posted on 10/28/2015 7:00:36 AM PDT by biff
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They will not use the proceeds for treatment and it will not get the gangs off the street.

Example: Tobacco payoffs to the states as well as SS fund. The advent of legal grass with taxes in Colorado has raised the price so high that it is cheaper to continue buying from the street dealer. Every one of your reasons(not new as we used to advocate the same things back in the 60’s) are all full of bull excrement. I sometimes think my grandpa had the right idea concerning drug dealers; public hanging after conviction. He said it worked pretty darn good with the train robbers and cattle rustlers.


13 posted on 10/28/2015 7:00:52 AM PDT by biff
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They will not use the proceeds for treatment and it will not get the gangs off the street.

Example: Tobacco payoffs to the states as well as SS fund. The advent of legal grass with taxes in Colorado has raised the price so high that it is cheaper to continue buying from the street dealer. Every one of your reasons(not new as we used to advocate the same things back in the 60’s) are all full of bull excrement. I sometimes think my grandpa had the right idea concerning drug dealers; public hanging after conviction. He said it worked pretty darn good with the train robbers and cattle rustlers.


14 posted on 10/28/2015 7:00:59 AM PDT by biff
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Pretty weak sauce in that article, if you ask me.

For example, the first thing in the list - who thinks that today’s weed is weak? Everyone knows that it’s actually very strong now compared to the “ditch weed” often available in the 60s or 70s, although there was also some very good stuff around back then, I’ve read. Actually, it’s the drug warriors who always trot out how potent today’s weed is as an argument against it, while I’ve never heard anyone claim that today’s weed is weak. Rum is a lot stronger than beer, too, but I don’t necessarily get any drunker from rum than beer.

And on the alcohol-pot comparison, it’s true that while alcohol can be consumed without intoxication, even relatively small amounts (like one beer or glass of wine) do have an effect on the mind and body. Some people consume pot in very tiny quantities, too, for a mild calming effect. As to the health effects of chronic use (i.e. addiction/alcoholism), alcohol is far, far worse.

Myth #5’s answer sounds like the perfect argument by nanny-staters for government intervention into all aspects of our private lives. People do many, many things that might (might) cause some “private self-damage that always leaks out into the public sphere”.

And actually, the whole article has a puritanical feel about it - many, many people enjoy occasionally getting intoxicated on one substance or another, and yet still lead productive lives. It’s called having fun (in our opinions), not a sign of some deep emotional or psychological problem.


15 posted on 10/28/2015 7:01:00 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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By keeping marijuana illegal, if the law can prevent some measure of private self-damage that always leaks out into the public sphere, then it is worth the modest cost.

Big Government is the answer to everything for some people.

16 posted on 10/28/2015 7:01:05 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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I felt myths 1 through 4 were very well presented and argued. I'm really struggling with buying him on Myth 5. I really prefer to err on the side of freedom.

Myth 5: It’s my body, so I can do what I want with it without bothering anyone else

This is called autonomy: the right to self-rule. In reply, however, private behavior always seeps out into public. No one makes drug consumption choices by himself; he is usually influenced by others. If marijuana is popular or fashionable, then people are drawn to it (Caulkins et al. 121-24).

Substance abuse -- whether strong doses of alcohol or harder drugs or marijuana -- monetarily and personally impacts society and is never an individual matter. By keeping marijuana illegal, if the law can prevent some measure of private self-damage that always leaks out into the public sphere, then it is worth the modest cost.


I've been weighing this whole thing back and forth for a while. While I'm probably leaning against legalization, I completely support Ohio's right as a sovereign state to place this matter on the ballot for a vote. We have State Issue 3 coming up that deals with weed legalization in Ohio. Even if I WERE to support legalization, State Issue 3 only allows 10 companies to grow and sell the stuff.

When we legalized casinos, we legalized them in THREE geographic locations basically legalizing a complete monopoly for folks like Dan Gilbert (owner of the Cavs and somebody who seems like a pretty decent guy). So three rich guys are able to build casinos but nobody can start one in their proverbial "garage" to take them on and try to deliver a better product.

So in Ohio, we really seem to like to legalize things for just a few people that can make money off of it.

To make matters even worse, we have State Issue 2 that is supposed to prevent monopolies in these sorts of cases. What I'm hearing is that Issue 2 will make Issue 3 null and void. Issue 3 will grant monopolies while Issue 2 will prevent them.

Typical Ohio.....according to polling data, both issues are passing. If both pass, there are going to be serious legal battles to be fought. Issue 2 was placed by the legislature and Issue 3 was placed by petition of the people. Some say legislature-based issues trump people-based and some say the issue with the most yes votes takes precedence over the other.


17 posted on 10/28/2015 7:05:33 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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Just think of all the money the feds can make with federal forfeiture laws if they decided to raid every “legal” pot store in the states that have “legalized” it.


18 posted on 10/28/2015 7:08:15 AM PDT by biff
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For example, the first thing in the list - who thinks that today’s weed is weak? Everyone knows that it’s actually very strong now compared to the “ditch weed” often available in the 60s or 70s,

Yes, you're right. I have NEVER heard anybody insinuate that today's weed is somehow "weaker" or "milder" than back in the day. This is a nonexistent myth.
19 posted on 10/28/2015 7:08:22 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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In OH it's on the ballot. One of the problems is it's written so it will be a growing monopoly for a handful of farmers who had the connections to be among the chosen. Another is that it allows marijuana candy, baked goods etc.

People are mostly confused if it's good or bad. There's a really bad heroin epidemic around here. Will legalizing marijuana make those who like to be a little bit outside the law more likely to use other, still illegal drugs? Nobady really knows.

Personally, I don't support drugs, legal or illegal. I can't believe marijuana use is better than not using it. But I just don't know how to vote because it's an out-of-control situation (both the legal and illegal stuff) and nobody really has answers, just strong opinions.

20 posted on 10/28/2015 7:09:02 AM PDT by grania
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