Posted on 09/30/2015 3:30:33 AM PDT by markomalley
Pope Francis secretly met a Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples and gave her words of encouragement, her attorney said.
Mat Staver, attorney and founder of the Liberty Counsel, told CBS News on Tuesday night that the pope met Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis and her husband at the Vatican embassy in Washington last Thursday during his visit to the United States.
Vatican chief spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said he would neither confirm nor deny the report and that there would be no further statement. This was unusual for the Vatican, which normally issues either denials or confirmations.
The report of the meeting came after Francis largely avoided the contentious issue of same-sex marriage during his historic visit to the United States, where he addressed Congress, met with the homeless and urged the country to welcome immigrants.
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Mark,
Thank you for posting this.
The Pope doing this quietly makes sense to me. He could talk with her and find out her side and give her his support and encouragement. I find that bether than doing it “just for a photo op” as one expects politicians to do.
G-F
Amen. The fact that he kept this a secret speaks volumes.
“...the Pope is not infallible...the voting him in is.”
Please quote an authoritative source for this, for it is not true. On the other hand, contemplate the following authoritative commentary on the Code of Canon Law:
Finally, one cannot consider as schismatics those who refuse to obey the Roman Pontiff because they would hold his person suspect or, because of widespread rumors, doubtfully elected (as happened after the election of Urban VI) or who would resist him as a civil authority and not as pastor of the Church.
(Franz Xaver Wernz, Ius Canonicum, ed. by Pietro Vidal [Rome: Gregorian University, 1937], vol. 7, p. 398; no translator given; qtd. at http://sedevacantist.com/isitcatholic.html)
You're doing everything you can and should do. Don't worry, the Church survived the Borgias (who came before Vatican II by the way, so don't let the Vatican II doom & gloomers get you down either). She'll survive Francis.
THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. We must obey him on matters of faith and morals. If he tells you that it will rain tomorrow or picks horse for the Trifecta, we are not required to follow this.
The Pope represents a genuine spiritual lineage but the current one does that poorly. IMHO the current one is a little too taken with the materialist approach of Marx, Engels and Rules for Radicals’ Saul D. Alinsky instad of the Gospel. That means the current pope won’t last very long.He may not live longer than a few more months before the divine zap takes him on his way.
This morning, CNN was having a fit about this secret meeting. They concluded that it was a cordial, cursory meeting that didn’t really mean much.
They spent more time on it than on the Russian planes over Syria.
CNN is doing more coverage of the secret meeting — Vatican confirmed that it did take place, but would not reveal contents.
Bomb boy was a higher priority.
A true pope will not tell you that that it will rain tomorrow or pick a horse for the Trifecta, so what is the point of your argument?
I can’t help suspecting that the Vatican has been taken over by queers, just as the Episcopal/Anglican church has.
Here, maybe this will help you. The man is not infallible...and he has certainly shown that.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/papal-infallibility
OK, let me present a more thorough and accurate presentation. Hat tip to CMRI.
(Please note that the case about infallibility here as relates to “Francis” is to indicate how wrong it is to call him pope. He does things in opposition to infallible acts of true popes.):
http://www.cmri.org/02-primer.shtml
I also recall hearing that Pope Saint Pius X spoke that we should show utmost respect for and obedience to the pope, not just in the official pronouncements but in everything in general.
(I would add that that is not to say his favorite soccer team must be ours, but his team probably should be pretty high up if the pope likes them.)
Are you a sede vacante or do you currently hold sede vacante beliefs?
“Are you a sede vacante or do you currently hold sede vacante beliefs?”
I am a sedevacantist (one who believes that the chair of Peter lacks a current living successor.)
Anyone who disagrees with supposed authoritative claims of the one who seems to hold the office to the Vicar of Christ is either a heretic or a sedevacantist.
I identify as a sede-vacantist (translated “the chair is empty”) because I do not believe that Jorge Bergoglio licitly holds the office.
St. Robert Bellarmine, a doctor of the church teaches that one cannot be a heretic and pope at the same time.
Because it is quite evident that in spite of saying SOME things that agree with church teaching, nevertheless Jorge teaches heresy frequently and is feared by the flock to be about to change doctrines in highly visible manners, Jorge cannot be a catholic, let alone pope!
Thank you for your honest answer, this will be my last post to you. I will not debate with people that hold your misguided view.
Why do you believe articles coming from Reuters on Catholicism when you would not believe an article that came from them about conservative Republicans?
“I will not debate with people that hold your misguided view.”
You won’t? But you do debate me by arguing that my view is misguided. (Or was THAT your last word?)
But then again isn’t the new church most welcoming of misguided individuals who, such as Ratzinger advised a Vatican interpreter to not convert to Catholicism because he (Ratzinger as a heretic) doesn’t see the importance of the Catholic faith over false religion.
So is that why you won’t debate me? Your supposed popes don’t debate false religions as they prefer to get along with them while meanwhile the misguided adherents to false religions speed to hell.
Thank you for your frank response. Since you do not indicate it, which is the last pope you recognize?
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