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4 Simple Questions
kapiolani.org) ^ | RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB Attorney at Law

Posted on 08/13/2015 9:59:41 PM PDT by MarvinStinson

4 Simple Questions .....

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa".

This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?

Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_%28http:/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya%29

3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.

The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

( kapiolani.org )

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and

1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?

Very truly yours,

RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB Attorney at Law

354 Eisenhower Parkway Livingston, NJ 07039

"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; dontpingmeplease; fraud; ibtz; naturalborncitizen; noob; obama; zot
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To: WhiskeyX

Actually in 1960/1961 the number 9 in race meant “other non -white”


161 posted on 08/16/2015 9:53:58 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

And I think the meat and potatoes of going after Obama would be on the illegal actions he pulled off while in office.

Spying on the press.
IRS picking on Conservatives.

That kind of thing. Obama has been much worse than Nixon times 100 and because he is black nobody touches him.


162 posted on 08/17/2015 4:03:27 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MarvinStinson
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".

Here is a scan of the title page of an official document issued in 1957 by the British government in Kenya. Note that they call it "Colony and Protectorate of Kenya".


163 posted on 08/17/2015 4:18:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: Regulator

Negroid was a “technical” term for the race. Just a Caucasian was the race term for white. I recall being taught that in grammar school, and I am the same age as dear leader.


164 posted on 08/17/2015 4:23:30 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: 4Zoltan

Weren’t these “Administration Law Courts?”


165 posted on 08/17/2015 4:23:53 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

No, these were regular court cases. Senior HI officials, including Fuddy, were lengthily deposed, the original ‘birth records,’ along with records from both hospitals, were subpoenaed—both cases were the real deal.

Just kidding.


166 posted on 08/17/2015 5:08:00 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: 4Zoltan

“Actually in 1960/1961 the number 9 in race meant “other non -white””

That is a FALSE STATEMENT! The “other non -white” was coded as: “7 ... Other Nonwhite”. What appeared on the fraudulent birth certificate was the numeral 9, which is coded as “9 ... Unknown or not stated (Race of parents only)”. In other words, the numeral 9 indicates the box was left blank or said the race was unknown. What should have been in the box was “Negro” with a numeral “2” penciled notation or “Other nonwhite” with a numeral “7” penciled notation. The actual use of “African” with a numeral “9” for the penciled notation code is clear and unambiguous evidence of the document being a recent forgery by people who did not understand the coding of the authentic birth certificates.


167 posted on 08/17/2015 8:11:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: 4Zoltan

“The case in Georgia was heard on the merits (Farrah, Welden, Powell v. Obama) and the case in New Jersey was heard on the merits (Purpura v. Obama).”

No, the cases were before an administrative court only, and the cases were certainly NOT heard on their merits. Instead, the administrative judges muzzled the plaintiffs and very pointedly denied them the opportunity to present their evidence, subpoena further evidence under discovery motions, and blatantly disregarded the evidence and testimonies without lawful consideration and judicial notice of the merits. In other words, those hearings were shams in which a jury of the peers were never allowed to become the triers of the evidence and render an informed judgment of evidence never heard, never tried, and never deliberated upon in a court of law with a proper jury.


168 posted on 08/17/2015 8:54:34 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: GregNH

Yes in the case of Georgia and New Jersey, but in New Jersey, Mario Apuzzo wrote a legal brief and gave a twenty minute oral argument before a three judge panel of the New Jersey Court of Appeals. His argument was based almost solely on Minor v. Happersett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rsbd4HVre8

The New Jersey Appeals Court ruled:

“We have carefully considered appellants’ arguments and conclude that these arguments are without merit. R. 2:11-3(e)(1)(E). We affirm substantially for the reasons set forth in ALJ Jeff S. Masin’s thorough and thoughtful written opinion of April 10, 2012, as adopted by the Secretary on April 12,2012.”


169 posted on 08/17/2015 8:57:42 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: WhiskeyX

What you have mentioned are CRIMES not civil suit evidence. Alleged crimes are dealt with in the criminal justice system via a law enforcement investigation, a grand jury investigation, indictments and a criminal trial.

The state of Hawaii has said on eight separate occasions that it has Barack Obama’s ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth on file. it would have been good if someone had ever called their bluff. A judge’s court order or a congressional subpoena were the way to do that.

Here’s one of the eight:
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html


170 posted on 08/17/2015 9:15:38 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: GregNH

We are talking about the ORIGINAL, vault edition, not copies.


171 posted on 08/17/2015 9:16:44 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: WhiskeyX; Ladysforest

Well, here is the 1960 instruction a manual.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/190043926/1960-Vital-Statistics-Manual-Coding-for-Parents-Race-See-Page-47-12-6-2013

Page 47 of the manual (page 10 of 16 on the Scribd file). The race of the child was determined by the race of the parents. Number 9 for the child was “other non-white”.

Here is the 1961 Manual:

https://myveryownpointofview.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/coding-and-punching-geographic-and-personal-particulars-for-births-occurring-in-1961.pdf

Page 11 - “9” is other non-white.

But none of that matters as it has been proven that the penciled codes on the Hawaiian birth certificates are not Federal codes but separate Hawaii state codes.

https://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/corsis-code-conundrum/


172 posted on 08/17/2015 9:28:24 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: MarvinStinson

It has been long proven that the name “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” was in use as early as the 1930s.

Here is an example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1643767/pdf/califmed00299-0045.pdf

See footnote at bottom of page 1.


173 posted on 08/17/2015 9:37:58 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: WhiskeyX

“The defendant, Obama, had the power to give a limited power of attorney to open whatever birth records he was entitled to access, yet he spared no effort to deny any such access and inspection.”


In several lawsuits where Obama was a named defendant: the Georgia eligibility challenges (Farrrar v Obama, Powell v Obama, Swensson v Obama and Welden v Obama) and the Mississippi eligibility challenge (Taitz et. al. v Obama, Pelosi et. al.) Obama’s attorneys submitted for the judges and justices copies of the long form birth certificate as exhibits and in a lawsuit trying to compel the Alabama Secretary of State to examine Obama’s eligibility (McInnish v Chapman) the Alabama Democrat Party submitted an Obama long form birth certificate to the nine Justices of the Alabama Supreme Court.
The Mississippi and Alabama eligibility challenges also included Certified Letters of Verification for the birth certificate from the Hawaii Registrar.
See the last two pages (11 & 12) of the following:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MS-Democratic-party-moption-to-supplement-counsel-.pdf


174 posted on 08/17/2015 10:23:31 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Fantasywriter

I have no idea whether Abercrombie found Obama’s birth certificate or not.
To know for certain if it is truly stored in the Hawaii Registrar’s office safe, it should be released for inspection under a judge’s court order or released to a congressional investigative committee under a congressional subpoena with failure to produce it under either court order or subpoena subjecting Hawaii government officials to Contempt of Court or Contempt of Congress penalties: up to a year in jail and up to $1000 fine.


175 posted on 08/17/2015 12:13:21 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: A CA Guy

Consider something from a slightly different angle :

https://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/can-a-natural-born-citizen-be-deported/


176 posted on 08/17/2015 12:19:56 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Nero Germanicus

Of course you know Abercrombie found Obama’s original LFBC. He had vowed to do so, had he not? And he had promised to lay questions re Obama’s HI birth to rest once and for all, hadn’t he?

And that’s just what he did, right? He announced to the world that he had indeed found Obama’s original LFBC exactly where it was supposed to be, in perfect order. Surely you remember that very public announcement, don’t you?

So how could you not know?


177 posted on 08/17/2015 12:45:48 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Ladysforest

Well what happened there is Monaco gave the man’s children citizenship through the father and though they were born elsewhere, for Monaco it is the same as if they were born there.


178 posted on 08/17/2015 12:48:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Fantasywriter

As I just said, I have no idea what Abercrombie found or didn’t find.
I put more faith in the statement of the Hawaii Governor who came before Abercrombie:
Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”

Televised interview with former Hawaii Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino:
http://youtu.be/e9D4n6_Uifk


179 posted on 08/17/2015 1:01:39 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

I used to think Obama’s FR apologists only pretended to be stupid. I used to honestly believe that.

There came a point, however, when the truth was inescapable.

Any halfwit can look at the available facts and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that Abercrombie did not find Obama’s LFBC. But when you say you do not know...

I believe you.


180 posted on 08/17/2015 1:24:44 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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