Posted on 08/13/2015 9:59:41 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
4 Simple Questions .....
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa".
This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_%28http:/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya%29
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
( kapiolani.org )
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and
1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?
Very truly yours,
RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB Attorney at Law
354 Eisenhower Parkway Livingston, NJ 07039
"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens.
So there were at least two insider informants, then, since the one I mentioned is named Tim Adams. I read somewhere that a third HI official had confirmed the absence of an original LFBC for Obama, but I haven’t looked into it.
“Obama being eligible prevailed in every legal action mentioned above.”
Wrong. The courts obstructed every legal action of the plaintiffs and refused to allow discovery and trial despite Obama’s fraudulent claim of U.S. citizenship and electoral ineligibility.
Problem was that Hawaii covered Obama.
Unnamed insider.
Tim Adams.
Abercrombie.
Three people went looking and came up with nothing in the Hawaii archives.
WH57, exactly right about Tim Adams. If you’re saying Abercrombie is the third insider to verify that Obama had no LFBC in HI, that sounds right too.
CA Guy, speaking of Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk in HI, you might find this interesting:
‘In the affidavit Adams swears, “During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth.”’
WORLDNETDAILY EXCLUSIVE
HAWAII OFFICIAL NOW SWEARS: NO OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent
Published: 01/24/2011 at 8:48 PM
What was there to discover?
The state of Hawaii possesses and controls access to the original Obama birth certificate and they were not a defendant in any of the lawsuits listed. Discovery only relates to what is in the possession and control of the defendant.
Hawaii law permits a birth certificate to be released by court order and no judge in America has ever issued such an order.
‘What was there to discover?’
Haha.
Hahaha.
Hahahaha.
Second-most stupid comment I’ve ever read.
Its ok to laugh when you have no clue about the federal rules of evidence or the federal rules of civil procedure, “ignorance is bliss.”
If anybody wants to see the original vault edition of Barack Obama’s birth certificate Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18 permits it to be released for inspection under court order.
Here’s the section of the law:
HRS §338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
Also an investigative committee of either House of Congress could issue a congressional subpoena for the original birth certificate. Failure to produce it could result in a contempt of Congress citation being issued and imprisonment until the subpoena is complied with.
“Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia; according to the law it is the “duty” of the U.S. Attorney to refer the matter to a grand jury for action.
The criminal offense of “contempt of Congress” sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.”
I’m laughing bc you don’t understand the discovery process. And bc as always you believe anything a politician or appointee tells you that is favorable to Obama. I know that in your insulated, limited world the idea that someone would lie on Obama’s behalf is inconceivable. And yes, that is hilarious.
I’ve read it. Have you?
Federal Rules of Civil Procedure
Rule 26. Duty to Disclose; General Provisions Governing Discovery
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_26
But here’s the section that backs up what I said:
(A) In General. Except as exempted by Rule 26(a)(1)(B) or as otherwise stipulated or ordered by the court, a party must, without awaiting a discovery request, provide to the other parties:
(ii) a copy—or a description by category and location—of all documents, electronically stored information, and tangible things that the disclosing party has in its possession, custody, or control and may use to support its claims or defenses, unless the use would be solely for impeachment;
Does Barack Obama have his original birth certificate in his possession, custody or control or does the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics have that document in his possession, custody or control?
Barack Obama’s original, vault edition birth certificate is kept in the office safe of Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, Hawaii’s Registrar. Anyone who wants to inspect it should get a judge to issue a court order or convince a congressional committee chair to issue a congressional subpoena for it.
No original LFBC existed for Obama. That is what makes your posts so entertaining. You are like Bagdad Bob, swearing no US troops are in or near the capital. But whereas Bob knew he was lying, you think you’re telling the truth.
So who was smarter, Bagdad Bob or you?
I do enjoy the fantasies that you write. Very entertaining.They never fail to bring a smile to my face.
Your post is eerily revealing. In a very real sense, you do indeed live in a world where facts are fantasy and fantasy is fact.
For example, in your would Abercrombie really DID find Obama’s LFBC. The Gov announced this to the world, thus forever laying to rest the controversy re Obama’s birth place. Trump never needled Obama into releasing a rank forgery, bc Abercrombie had satisfactorily resolved the issue long before.
There is nothing appealing about your world. It is a sad, bizarre place, wholly detached from reality. It is the place all obots end up in, after they have defended Obama’s lies to an indefensible degree.
Sorry that you don’t like my world. I kind of enjoy it myself. And I also enjoy what little I know of your world, it is a source of constant entertainment. Bitherbots in general are a very entertaining cult.
What I know of what Abercrombie found or didn’t find comes from the newspaper accounts. I wasn’t there so my information is second hand.
“Mike Evans: Hawaii’s Gov. Neil Abercrombie ‘never told me there was no [Obama] birth certificate’”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mike-evans-hawaii-gov-neil-abercrombie-told-no-obama-birth-certificate-article-1.152025
“Hawaii Gov says proof of Obama birth certificate exists”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-birth-hawaii-gov-proof-presidents-birth-certificate/story?id=12721552
“State Rep. Leo Berman says Hawaii governor can’t find anything that says Obama was born in Hawaii”
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/feb/27/leo-berman/state-rep-leo-berman-says-hawaii-governor-cant-fin/
Once again, a judge’s court order or a congressional subpoena could end the mystery once and for all over whether an original birth certificate exists or doesn’t exist.
It’s been explained over and over and over and over why he did not and could not get citizenship through his mother and people like you just keep on with the “he’s got citizenship through his mother” tripe, as if you’ve got your fingers in your ears and are going LA LA LA LA LA
It’s just as I said. You believe Abercrombie found Obama’s LFBC exactly where it should be, in perfect order.
It’s la la land, and you live in it.
I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms
Looks like he did have possession, custody, and control...
“What was there to discover?”
Evidence of the records being tampered with to accommodate a forged Obama birth certificate record.
“The state of Hawaii possesses and controls access to the original Obama birth certificate and they were not a defendant in any of the lawsuits listed.”
The Department of Health of the State of Hawaii cannot possibly “possess and control access” to an “original Obama birth certificate” which never existed except in a recent computer forgery in Washington, D.C. Even if there was a real 1961 birth certificate filed with the DOH in 1961, it would had to have been filed using fraudulent information and would not have been verified by the State of Hawaii as an authentic record of the birth.
“Discovery only relates to what is in the possession and control of the defendant.”
The defendant, Obama, had the power to give a limited power of attorney to open whatever birth records he was entitled to access, yet he spared no effort to deny any such access and inspection.
“Hawaii law permits a birth certificate to be released by court order and no judge in America has ever issued such an order.”
Yes, even law enforcement agents are authorized by Hawaiian law to inspect and investigate birth records, yet the courts have unlawfully obstructed all such efforts to exercise such legal authority.
“Looks like he did have possession, custody, and control...”
There are only two possibilities and both possibilities evidence the fact that the birth records released by Obama are forgeries and fraudulent. If he did have a birth certificate as claimed in the book, it was a fraudulent record created by his mother and/or grandmother by filing a false record of birth with the Hawaii Department of Health and/or an amended record for the adoption of a foreign born child. On the other hand, the book is full of false statements or lies, so it is quite possible Obama never had any U.S. birth certificate, real or forged. In my opinion, the former situation is what is most likely to have occurred, which would be why they are so determined to avoid the discovery of the fraudulent filing that occurred in 1961.
In either case, the birth certificates presented to the public are crude and obvious forgeries, and they would have little to do with any fraudulent and unverified birth records filed by Obama’s mother and/or grandmother with the Department of Health in 1961. Given the numerous false statements included in Obama’s book, the use of such a fraudulent book to vouch for fraudulent birth records is quite absurd in the extreme.
The case in Georgia was heard on the merits (Farrah, Welden, Powell v. Obama) and the case in New Jersey was heard on the merits (Purpura v. Obama).
In both Obama was ruled eligible.
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