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Can Gays Turn Straight? What the Evidence Says About “Ex-Gay” Therapy.
Slate ^ | April 20, 2015 | Nathaniel Frank

Posted on 04/20/2015 3:12:57 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: EveningStar

What a complete waste of time that was.

Spin, spin, spin, spin,...

Then the writer states, now lets look at the evidence. Three paragraphs later, lots more trashing of the therapy done, he spins into reports that sound more like fantasy than the claims of success were.

I have heard testimonies of people who said they were helped by this. Were they all lying?

I don’t honestly know what to make of the effort, but I do have a pretty good idea this article was not an objective review. It was pure propaganda.

If there is enlightenment on a subject, you don’t have to trash those who disagree with you before revealing the results.

You just reveal the results.

This article sought to create hatred for those who oppose homosexuality. Then it gave a flimsy review of ‘conversion thereapy’ success. Of course there isn’t any success if you believe this nut-job.

I don’t.


21 posted on 04/20/2015 3:33:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: EveningStar

Most child molesters released from prison also re-offend. Just because the mental illness cannot be permanently cured doesn’t make it acceptable behavior. Smoking cessation also has a dismal success rate, but that isn’t a good reason to allow legislators to ban the attempts for those who wish to intervene and help their children.


22 posted on 04/20/2015 3:33:41 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

If you attempt that in your own power, Satan will have you on the ground in about a millisecond.


23 posted on 04/20/2015 3:34:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: EveningStar

Why stop there. What about all the other ‘born that way’ issues? Plenty believe criminal behavior is hereditary too.


24 posted on 04/20/2015 3:34:16 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: EveningStar

If they ask Jesus into their life they can be changed.


25 posted on 04/20/2015 3:34:40 PM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (TIME TO ROUND THE LITTLE BUGGERS UP (LGBT))
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
... it's a disorder, just as it always has been ...

The American Psychiatric Association, the The American Psychological Association, and the World Health Organization all have declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.

26 posted on 04/20/2015 3:34:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: DoughtyOne
I have heard testimonies of people who said they were helped by this. Were they all lying?

Not sure, but honestly, how different would this be from trying to "cure" someone of being a whore, or pornographer, or any other kind of pervert?

27 posted on 04/20/2015 3:36:01 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: EveningStar

That means people quit calling it that. That doesn’t mean God quit calling it that.


28 posted on 04/20/2015 3:36:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: EveningStar

It’s about as effective as any other type of psychotherapy.


29 posted on 04/20/2015 3:36:21 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: Cicero

haven’t you seen those funny comedic sketches where a gay guy tries to convert a straight guy. Hey! it’s no big deal!
I used to get hit on by gay guys in my cab pretty often. Didn’t ask if I was gay but WHAT WERE THE ODDS when only 2 percent of the population is.
They want everyone to think like the and think anyone is a potential queer.


30 posted on 04/20/2015 3:36:28 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: lormand

THe APA was bullied and besieged by homosexual activists to change the DSM version in 1973 to say homosexuality was not a disorder.


31 posted on 04/20/2015 3:39:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: dp0622

I wonder why so many people thought “YMCA” (Village People version) was so cute. I had to sit through a playing of that thing in a restaurant yesterday. “Young man, young man” [come on and get gay with us too].

It’s high time that we call “Young man, young man, get straight”


32 posted on 04/20/2015 3:40:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: EveningStar

Shouldn’t this be a private choice between doctor and patient?


33 posted on 04/20/2015 3:42:19 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Its worse than that. YMCA and In The Navy were Reagan Bashing songs. Reagan said let the YMCA help the poor and he was for the military in a big way.
Whip It by Devo was a very anti Reagan song. Whip it was Reagans way of dealing with thing. Just smash it. The video makes fun of cowboys and the like


34 posted on 04/20/2015 3:42:35 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: lormand

homosexuals who have turned normal or raised by homosexuals have said it is a deviant lifestyle and unhealthy.

There is the proof . Homosexuals are no longer homosexuals.


35 posted on 04/20/2015 3:43:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: EveningStar
The American Psychiatric Association, the The American Psychological Association, and the World Health Organization all have declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Big Whoop! Of course they lied! They've long since been infiltrated by queers and faggots just like every other institution in the world...most notably the Catholic Church and many others.

Funny how they left GID standing as a mental disorder ain't it.

36 posted on 04/20/2015 3:43:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: DoughtyOne
Over the years I have see many claims of people coming out of gay lifestyles through religious and psychological counseling coupled with healing prayer. True, backsliding also occurs, but the same thing can be said about virtually every form of therapy aimed at a psychological disorder.

There are countless examples of failures in drug and alcohol rehab, treatment of depression, marriage counseling, pedophilia, anger issues, and other disorders, yet those failures are never offered as evidence that the efforts at therapy were therefore misguided. .
37 posted on 04/20/2015 3:44:17 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: EveningStar; All

If the 17th Amendment had never been ratified then the Senate could probably be expected to protect the states by killing such a bill if the House actually introduced it.

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear.


38 posted on 04/20/2015 3:45:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: EveningStar
"The American Psychiatric Association, the The American Psychological Association, and the World Health Organization all have declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder."

Not as a result of research, but because of pro-gay lobbying and political pressure.
39 posted on 04/20/2015 3:46:53 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Another poster compared it to alcohol, drug, or other therapy, and the success rates there.

That’s probably a pretty good comparison.

As with those other therapies, you have to want to get help.

That is probably the key here too.


40 posted on 04/20/2015 3:47:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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