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Poll: Is it time to retire Junipero Serra's statue?
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 14, 2015 | Jon Healey

Posted on 04/19/2015 5:06:33 PM PDT by EveningStar

... Statues of ... historical figures stand in the U.S. Capitol's National Statuary Hall, where each state has two representatives cast in bronze or marble ...

[Father Junipero] Serra could be the first and only actual saint in Statuary Hall -- Pope Francis recently announced plans to canonize him -- yet he's also a polarizing figure. Is it time to send Serra to the sidelines (or more accurately, move his statue to the California Capitol grounds)? ...

Take our pointedly unreliable poll, leave a comment or do both! ...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; canonization; juniperoserra; losangelesslimes; losangelestimes; mission; missions; nationalstatuaryhall; poll; popefrancis; romancatholicism; saint; sallyride; serra; statuaryhall; statue; uscapitol
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1 posted on 04/19/2015 5:06:33 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: NYer; Coleus; narses; Salvation; Pyro7480

ping


2 posted on 04/19/2015 5:06:54 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Leave him there. He is a big part of historical California and why not.

Sally Ride? Come on..., I have nothing against her but really?


3 posted on 04/19/2015 5:13:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: EveningStar

Here’s MY unscientific poll question: Should the Los Angeles Times give up its pretense of meaningful journalism and simply cease operations?

a. Yes
b. Hell, yes


4 posted on 04/19/2015 5:13:07 PM PDT by Walrus (I love the America that used to be ---I hate the America that now IS!)
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To: EveningStar; 2ndDivisionVet; 45semi; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; ...
From the site:
"Take our pointedly unreliable poll, leave a comment or do both!"

Have we freeped the LA-LA Times too much? LOL.

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5 posted on 04/19/2015 5:27:17 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)
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To: Walrus

Check the article. This is just an innocuous poll.

The California State Senate has already approved a bill to replace Serra with the late astronaut and LGBT icon Sally Ride.

The bill moves on to the Assembly where the Democrats outnumber the Republicans 52 - 28 (65% - 35%).


6 posted on 04/19/2015 5:28:43 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-poll-is-it-time-to-retire-junipero-serras-statue-20150414-htmlstory.html

Freep this poll for REAL history.


7 posted on 04/19/2015 5:30:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: EveningStar

Is this true?

Verification?


8 posted on 04/19/2015 5:31:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: EveningStar

I voted for Johnny Carson because California has become a joke.


9 posted on 04/19/2015 5:31:28 PM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: Salvation
But he has to yield pride of place to Harvey Milk, don'tcha know?


10 posted on 04/19/2015 5:36:38 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in Battle!)
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To: Salvation
From the article:
[O]n Monday, a divided California Senate approved a bill by Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) to replace Serra with a statue of the late astronaut Sally Ride, a native Californian and the first American woman in space. That measure has yet to be considered in the state Assembly.
Also see post 6. Barring unforeseen circumstances, it's pretty much a done deal.
11 posted on 04/19/2015 5:37:51 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Salvation

OH HELL NO if they do how about Ronald Reagan he was governor of my state RIGHT LOL!

Keep Father Serra that dude is FATHER OF founding of Cali


12 posted on 04/19/2015 5:39:43 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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13 posted on 04/19/2015 5:43:31 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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I shouldn’t have inserted the “LGBT icon” crack. Ride’s accomplishments stand on their own.


14 posted on 04/19/2015 5:45:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: SevenofNine

Reagan’s statue has been there since 2009.


15 posted on 04/19/2015 5:48:00 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: SevenofNine

I would vote for Ronald Reagan too.

But why take away the history of soon to be St. Junipero Serra?

Are they racist?


16 posted on 04/19/2015 5:48:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I would vote for Ronald Reagan too.

See post 15.

Are they racist?

No. Just PC.

17 posted on 04/19/2015 5:50:56 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: DoughtyOne

IIRC, Ride was a lesbian, so in Calif that would make sense.


18 posted on 04/19/2015 5:54:00 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: EveningStar

They are actually debating whether the natives that JS worked with QOL was better off or worse off.

Better - literacy, religion, and standard of living

Worse - 90% death rate from measles and other diseases, which would be inevitable sooner or later

Not sure why this is controversial. Plus JS built 30 missions. What did Sally Ride do?


19 posted on 04/19/2015 6:03:51 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: EveningStar

bttt


20 posted on 04/19/2015 6:06:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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