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Southern New Yorkers Consider Secession After Cuomo's Permanent Ban On Fracking
Zero Hedge ^ | 03/09/2015 | Thomas Miller via Oilprice.com,

Posted on 03/09/2015 8:22:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Submitted by Thomas Miller via Oilprice.com,

One could argue America was conceived from intense frustration that ultimately led to separation. Fed up with what they perceived as excessive control by the Crown, colonists to the “New England”, in essence, seceded in 1776, and thus the United States was born.

Now, there is a renewed and growing secession conversation brewing in the New England region, this time fueled by a commodity: Natural gas. Infuriated by Governor Andrew Cuomo’s December decision to permanently instill a ban against hydraulic fracture stimulation, or fracking, residents in 15 communities in the Southern Tier of New York are discussing the possibility of redrawing the border between New York and Pennsylvania.

Most affected are communities that lie along the east-west line between the Empire and Keystone states. Dairy farms dot the landscape, and in Pennsylvania, where fracking is encouraged, farmers are building new barns, buying new equipment and communities are adding schools and hospitals. In contrast, only a few miles to the north, farms that have been in families for generations lie dilapidated. Equipment is old, and there are few signs of construction.

Karen Moreau is the Executive Director of the New York State Petroleum Council and is passionate about the plight of these residents. “He (Governor Cuomo) wiped out the hopes, the dreams, the opportunity for economic salvation for thousands and thousands of struggling farm families, rural communities and others who have stood by, civilly waiting, expecting the government to do the right thing, to do the honest thing, and instead this is what they were given,” she said.

Moreau characterizes the stark difference on either side of the state line as “East Berlin and West Berlin,” citing added burdens of excessive property taxes and some of the most expensive natural gas in the country. “For a 200 acre dairy farm with a modest home and buildings that aren’t so great, the property taxes are $20,000 a year,” she says. “Even though they have all this natural gas in the ground, they really don’t have any infrastructure, so their energy costs are among the highest in the nation as well,” Moreau added, saying it’s not unusual for families to burn wood to provide heat.

Cuomo instilled the permanent ban on December 17, 2014 following comments by acting health commissioner, Dr. Howard Zucker who said, “I consider the people of the state of New York as my patients. We cannot afford to make a mistake. The potential risks are too great, in fact they are not fully known.”

A recent Quinnipiac University poll indicated most New York voters agree with the Governor’s decision by a 55-25 percent margin.

In a double-blow to Southern Tier residents, on the same day Cuomo instilled the permanent fracking ban, the state also shot down two applications for casinos in the region.

Although acknowledged as a long shot, state legislator, Republican Tom Libous of Binghamton, mailed a survey to his constituents asking if they were interested in secession. Realigning state lines would require coordinated efforts from both state legislatures and the federal government. Meanwhile, these New Yorkers will continue to look across the border and will observe continued economic prosperity through the years, realizing the only thing separating them are a few very long miles.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: alsharpton; andrewcuomo; billdeblasio; blackkk; chirlanemccray; energy; fracking; hydrocarbons; hydrofrac; marcellus; newyork; newyorkcity; nypd; opec; petroleum; secession; utica

1 posted on 03/09/2015 8:22:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Property taxes need to be made unconstitutional. No one can ever own property in a jurisdiction where the government can evict you if you don’t pay your rent to them.


2 posted on 03/09/2015 8:25:44 AM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No need for them to secede. Simply kick NY City out of the State!


3 posted on 03/09/2015 8:26:44 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

Drums along the Mohawk. Drums of oil, that is.


4 posted on 03/09/2015 8:26:52 AM PDT by matt1234 (2015-2016 America's enemies sense obama's weakness and strike)
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To: PGR88

Here’s what Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution says:

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state, nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned, as well as of the Congress.


5 posted on 03/09/2015 8:30:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’re Noo Yawkers, they’re used to border-jumping.


6 posted on 03/09/2015 8:33:09 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The name “Jefferson” has already been selected by
combined residents of Southern Oregon and Northern
California. Still some good choices out there.


7 posted on 03/09/2015 8:36:58 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf ;-))
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To: SeekAndFind

They should form the new state of Erie instead


8 posted on 03/09/2015 8:37:10 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: SeekAndFind
Statehood fever is breaking out all over!


SOJ51.net

9 posted on 03/09/2015 8:39:35 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s funny because they switched New York and Queens counties on that map.


10 posted on 03/09/2015 8:41:43 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: PGR88

And take Albany with it.


11 posted on 03/09/2015 8:46:16 AM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The East/West Berlin comparison is interesting. Having actually seen that, I can form a picture in my mind of what was described. Since it’s still the USA, I doubt it’s quite that stark but it does come down to economic activity and having the capital to invest. It’s really an illegal taking of a property interest by Cuomo.


12 posted on 03/09/2015 8:55:59 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I dunno if they want to join PA anymore.

Wolf = Cuomo


13 posted on 03/09/2015 9:00:15 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SeekAndFind
Allow Southern New Your(home of Neu Yuk Shity) to secede. Just make sure it secedes from both Northern New York and the USA. As a “Separate Nation” is can be attacked and defeated, and its collectivism infected population can be ‘directly reduced’.

Gotta love ‘collateral damage’.

14 posted on 03/09/2015 9:00:54 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And Penguin Publishing just axed 300 more jobs. So glad we left Binghamton.


15 posted on 03/09/2015 9:21:27 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: SeekAndFind
Property taxes, and restrictions on what we could do with property we “owned” were significant factors in our departure from NYS 3 years ago. We had signed a lease agreement with a natural gas exploration company, and were hoping to realize some financial gain from that arrangement. It was obvious it was a joke. All it ended up being was an encumbrance that made selling the land more difficult. While interesting, the obstacles to secession are formidable. I wish I could be more optimistic about my former home state, but in my opinion it is irrevocably lost.
16 posted on 03/09/2015 9:23:06 AM PDT by Wheelman81
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To: SeekAndFind

There is NO way that the Dems or Obama will allow that to happen. That would turn Pennsylvania into a red state.


17 posted on 03/09/2015 9:29:35 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Virginia had no say in the creation of West Virginia. But Virginia wasn’t part of the Union; they seceded. But secession is illegal, so a war was fought to quell the rebellion. But Virginia never lost its statehood, so it should have had a say. But we were at war ........

Round and round it goes.


18 posted on 03/09/2015 9:42:51 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: SeekAndFind
Here’s what Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution says:

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state, nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned, as well as of the Congress.


I don't see how that would apply. These counties/cities aren't trying to form a new state, they're simply trying to leave one and join another. The only possible argument is 'state formed by the junction of two or more states', but again, there's no new state being formed, the boundary lines are simply being redrawn. Either way, I think NYC would be happy to get rid of the slightly more conservative rest of NY, and the other states likely wouldn't mind getting them!
19 posted on 03/09/2015 9:50:48 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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RE: I think NYC would be happy to get rid of the slightly more conservative rest of NY, and the other states likely wouldn’t mind getting them!

The libs in Philly will not be happy.


20 posted on 03/09/2015 9:52:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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