Ukraine Crisis: What Is Novorossiya Role?

BBC News ^ | 02/16/2015 | Dina Newman

[goldstategop]

A Russian public movement called "Novorossiya" (New Russia) provides help for the rebels in eastern Ukraine and is now on the EU sanctions list.

Historically Novorossiya was a large swathe of southern and eastern Ukraine which became part of imperial Russia.

Who supports Novorossiya?

The movement has representatives in several large Russian cities and a network of collection points. Its supporters include conservative Orthodox Christians, nationalists and monarchists.

Mr Strelkov is an outspoken critic of corruption in the rebel-held areas and says he personally monitors distribution of Novorossiya aid, to make sure it reaches the right people.

Being subject to Western sanctions will be considered a badge of honour by its supporters, who suspect the West of plotting against Russia.

[goldstategop]

Novorossiya is the historically Russian-speaking part of eastern and southeastern Ukraine. Since Czarist times, it was historically the most Russified part of Ukraine, which explains the current situation today. It draws significant popular support within Russia for that reason. And Western sanctions have only helped to boost it.

[ClearCase_guy]

The name "New Russia" may be historical, but I get the impression that the current focus is really "Old Russia" -- meaning the Russian Empire as it existed in 1988 or so.

[DoughtyOne]

I could agree with you a lot more if those regions were as solidly pro-Russia as some folks make them out to be.

There simply too much opposition to back up the popular belief system along these lines.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Russkies are a minority even in the East. In Donetsk Oblas they represent 38 percent of the population, and even only a small minority of that 38 percent support separatism according to international polls. During the actual election, the East, except for those portions where Putin wouldn't let them vote, went to president Poroshenko.

The Kremlin wants us to believe that there is a popular uprising from the government, but can't prove it, and even the "separatist leaders" (all from Russia!) complain that they can't get enough local people to pick up a gun.

[tcrlaf]

What gets lost in the insane propaganda blizzard, is that “Novorossiya” has become THE cause-celeb in Russia.

For them, it is “Russians Helping Russians”.
Same Language, same culture, same looks, same music, etc.

While our “elites” are going to their Hollywood/DC/NewYork parties to raise money for AIDS/Gays/Democrats/The Grey Sock Monkey, theirs are going to parties raising money for “Novorossiya Relief”, or for equipment for rebel troops.

[DesertRhino]

They are that way, look at the 2005 and 2010 election results map of Ukraine. And btw, all this shooting and destruction could have been avoided. The regular election would be happening now.
Such a waste,

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

They are that way, look at the 2005 and 2010 election results map of Ukraine. And btw, all this shooting and destruction could have been avoided. The regular election would be happening now. Such a waste,

Yanukovych ran on a Pro-EU platform. The Ukrainians have had elections, by the way. The only parties openly supporting Russia are the Communists, and guess how popular they are these days?

[DesertRhino]

That’s an outright lie. Yanukovych first ran for president in 2004, advancing to the runoff election and initially defeating his opponent; but amid widespread citizen protests and occupation of Kiev’s Independence Square (in what became known as the Orange Revolution), the Ukrainian Supreme Court nullified the runoff election, which was fraught with allegations of fraud and voter intimidation, and ordered a second runoff. Yanukovych lost the second runoff election to Viktor Yushchenko.

Yushchenko was the pro EU candidate, as was Timoshenko. The pattern has been that when western Ukraine loses an election they take it to the streets. This time they seized Kiev.

[DesertRhino]

Just for giggles, what is your interest in this? Do you live there? Some personal connection to the movement? You are very passionate for one side, and relatively new to FR. Just curious where your coming from.
Just once, for pure entertainment, id like to hear why without agitprop, slogans, or trite stuff.
A real honest telling of why.
Right now the name calling and the poster slogans from the 1940s aren’t really winning anyone new. Maybe it would even help your cause to just lay it out.
Seriously,,

[GeronL]

A “public movement” run and funded from the Kremlin

[DesertRhino]

” The only parties openly supporting Russia are the Communists, and guess how popular they are these days? “

The communist party is even a joke in Russia. Everyone under 35 thinks its a bunch of old geezers missing the old days. You’d have about the same chance of establishing segregation in the south as for the Russian communist party to win an election in Moscow.
As to the election in Ukraine, please, the one after the civil war began is just bogus within the war zones.
Its hard to imagine a less honest result.

[GeronL]

Mr Strelkov is an outspoken critic of corruption in the rebel-held areas

gee, that name sounds familiar...

[GeronL]

This about undoing what happened under Gorby

[GeronL]

Russia has wanted this war and has been preparing for this war since 2004. The propaganda campaign from the Kremlin started at least that long ago.

[GeronL]

One can easily imagine a less honest result in Crimea as a Russian Occupied Territory (ROT) and one would be right

[elhombrelibre]

How power works in Russia:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russias-former-largest-foreign-investor-141927352.html

[mosesdapoet]

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ukraine Crisis: What Is Novorossiya Role?, DesertRhino wrote: Replying to the poster with a conservative nome de plume ;
Just for giggles, what is your interest in this? Do you live there? Some personal connection to the movement? You are very passionate for one side, and relatively new to FR. Just curious where your coming from.

Everytime there’s a posting about Ukraine we’ve been getting a bunch of Putin trolls dumping a load of Kremlin line garbage. Obscuring any insight into what is really going on . If it isn’t corruption, it’s Nazis. As if Russia and Putin is so freakin perfect but you’ll never see a posting from them about stuff going on over there. I’m tired of their krap.

[DoughtyOne]

That’s my take too. Thanks for the mention.

[DoughtyOne]

Sorry, but I’m not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

That’s an outright lie.

No it's not, you're just an idiot.

"Regarding the European Union (EU) Yanukovych wants to create a free trade zone and visa-free travel between Ukraine and the EU countries. Once "Ukraine achieves those standards that currently exist in Europe", then the country should consider joining the EU. "But today this is an absolutely motivating, stimulating process we must aspire to", he stated in January 2010. In May 2011 Yanukovych stated that he will strive for Ukraine to join the EU. According to Yanukovych Ukrainian relations with "the West" are "a guide in both social and technical standards that we should strive for in creating a European life level in Ukraine". Yanukovych believes that the European integration of Ukraine is not an end in itself, but a way of implementation of the European standards in the state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych#Official_political_positions

Just for giggles, what is your interest in this? Do you live there? Some personal connection to the movement? You are very passionate for one side, and relatively new to FR. Just curious where your coming from.

Unlike you I did not get a Russkie mail order bride (shipped in a box even!) which made me a rabid Putinist. My interest is simply that of an American.