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2015 Predictions; Investment & Finance Thread - Dec. 28
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Dec. 28, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 12/28/2014 8:22:56 AM PST by expat_panama

           

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Weird, all our doom'n'gloomers have disappeared!  Usually the pundits are warning about the big upcoming market crash but look at what the latest "expert" predictions are for 2015 stock market returns:

Outlook 2015: Year Ahead Reports & Analysis Our 2015 year-end target for the S&P 500 is 2200, putting returns on a more-normal pace of 6%.

Barron's Cover Outlook 2015: Stick With the Bull Wall Street’s top strategists expect the S&P 500 to rally 10%

Markets  Wall Street bull: Market will rise another 14% in 2015

Add to this the fact that we're still overdue for our longer term growth cycle points to even more optimism. 

Of course there's always the contrarian approach that says upbeat sentiment is a negative sign, so let's be fair to our cautious side and post these stock warnings;

            ----Don't Hold Your Breath for a 90s-Style Boom

            ----Seven Shocks for the Markets in 2015

            ----What the Fed Will Decide About Rates In 2015

 

Continuing that line we got more boosters who are into precious metal hedges  --3 Reasons to buy gold FM trader Brian Kelly outlines reasons to buy gold going into 2015. Tim Seymour disagrees with the commodity's bull case. CNBC Videos.   That plus the possibility that the lackluster 2014 was just basing for the next uptrend.

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2015predictions; economy; financial; predictions; predictions2015; prophecy; stockmarket; wallstreet
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To: expat_panama

here’s an interesting page... Historical DJIA calendar year closes. Also shows point and percentage gains. http://www.mdleasing.com/djia-close.htm


61 posted on 12/29/2014 7:15:25 AM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: expat_panama
Wait a sec., y'all know that Sept. 13, 2015 falls on a Sunday?

LOL... must be after hours trading that does it in.... :)

62 posted on 12/29/2014 7:21:11 AM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My money’s on Diana!
Best plan ever! (you might want to buy some Silver eagles at this level).


63 posted on 12/29/2014 7:21:47 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: SVTCobra03

a Shmitah year


64 posted on 12/29/2014 7:27:16 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: expat_panama

Credit Suisse’s 2015 Outlook For Everything In 30 Tweets

Sea Storm
Reuters

Credit Suisse tweet-stormed highlights of its 2015 market outlook on Tuesday.

The firm sees the S&P 500 at 2,250 by the middle of next year, with a slight dip in the second half to end at 2,200.

It downgraded emerging markets because they’ve underperformed 62% of the time in a dollar rally, and the dollar is rallying.

Russia and Saudi Arabia will be the biggest losers to lower crude oil prices.

And the benefit of cheaper gas for US consumers could be cut short, because its forecast to be more expensive than it was before oil collapsed.

Here’s the entire tweetstorm:

https://twitter.com/csresearch


65 posted on 12/29/2014 7:27:24 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
Just realized that my biggest holding is a Vangard index fund VFINX--tho if I had it to do over again I'd avoid the loads by just buying SPY --the exchange traded fund that's equal.

VFINX is a no-load fund as are all Vanguard funds.

66 posted on 12/29/2014 7:28:42 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: expat_panama; SVTCobra03
Wait a sec., y'all know that Sept. 13, 2015 falls on a Sunday?

Since Sept. 13 (Elul 29) falls on a Sunday, the last day the markets are open will be.....September 11, the same day as the attack on the World Trade Center, and the beginning of our largest recession, and cause of our largest point drop in history at that time.

Sept 13th also hosts the second of noteworthy eclipses for 2015. The last time a solar eclipse happened on Elul 29?--Black Monday, 1987.

Too many things happening on that day to ignore.

67 posted on 12/29/2014 7:34:25 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Sunday in the US is Monday in Tokyo.... a trading day on foreign markets....

But I generally default to that verse that says "no one know the date, not even the Son of Man."

68 posted on 12/29/2014 7:42:53 AM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22
But I generally default to that verse that says "no one know the date, not even the Son of Man."

Understood, but remember--that verse is written in the present tense--a couple of thousand years ago. And it in no way forbids the search for the date. We are cautioned to be awake and on guard for the bridegroom in the parable of the ten brides.

69 posted on 12/29/2014 8:10:37 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
I agree.... we are suppose to be alert and on the watch for the bridegroom. But that means how we live our lives. Our relationships with each other and with God. Our spiritual selves. I don't believe that parable is encouraging us to spend our time trying to predict the day of his coming? Just my thoughts.

God is coming. The market may collapse or may not before then. But he'll take care of his own either way :) Happy New Year!

70 posted on 12/29/2014 8:18:34 AM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Rich21IE

I paid between $5-$7 for them, back in the day; too rich for my blood now. ;)


71 posted on 12/29/2014 9:16:43 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: expat_panama; 1010RD
The thing I like about EVE Online is the dynamic that results from losing your stuff when you get blown up. Yes, there are a lot of Socialists playing (and running) the game, but the added element of risk really changes the game in a fundamental way.

And the company puts out cool videos, like this, THIS IS EVE.

72 posted on 12/29/2014 9:32:00 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ah, man...that’s just not fair!


73 posted on 12/29/2014 10:00:08 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Aquamarine

The biggest reason individuals under-perform the stock market averages is that they try to time the market. The market drops, they get scared and jump out of the market. Yes, they may avoid more downside, but they also miss some of the biggest stock market gains. It’s missing the gains which dooms them to subpar performance.

I will always invest in the U.S. stock market because I believe in the longevity and profitability of American businesses. My husband and I have invested in the stock market for decades, during both the good years and the bad years.

I’m a strong believer in the philosophy of the Bogleheads (http://www.bogleheads.org/). They follow the basics of John Bogle, the founder of Vanguard. You decide on an asset allocation which you can live with, fund that asset allocation with low cost index funds, and re-allocate when the asset allocation gets out of balance.

But even with the Boglehead philosophy, we’ll always own a minor position in a half dozen companies which interest us. You have to have some fun too, don’t you? That, along with the two 1-kilo Australian silver coins we own. They’re pretty. That’s the extent of our investment in precious metals. :-)


74 posted on 12/29/2014 10:08:27 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

” 1-kilo Australian silver coins we own”

A 2.2 lbs coin. That will fill your pockets right up.


75 posted on 12/29/2014 10:55:56 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
” 1-kilo Australian silver coins we own”

A 2.2 lbs coin. That will fill your pockets right up.

The coin is roughly 1/2" thick and 4" in diameter. My husband remarked that he'd like to see a vending machine built to take it!

76 posted on 12/29/2014 11:56:00 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Rich21IE

Ya snooze, ya lose! ;)

Dad & I came into an inheritance from Grandpa in 2000. It was ‘found’ money, and neither of us needed it for any sort of emergency at the time, so we sunk it into PMs.

Dad and I played the Commodities Markets while I was growing up. You had to use the newspaper, a phone (attached to the kitchen wall!) and a No. 2 Ticonderoga pencil, it was THAT long ago, LOL! I spent my allowance on pork bellies and cocoa futures, versus nail polish and teen magazines.

I learned at the knew of the master. :)


77 posted on 12/29/2014 12:43:21 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: expat_panama

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3d2c3a8a-876e-11e4-bc7c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3NK1OBBwe
Last updated: December 29, 2014 5:45 pm

Petrobras finds itself in deep water

Joe Leahy in Brasília and Samantha Pearson in São Paulo

There are not many executives who have asked their boss three times whether they should be fired and survived. Maria das Graças Foster, chief executive of Petrobras, Brazil’s crisis-stricken state-owned oil company, says she’s one.

She has offered her resignation to Dilma Rousseff, Brazil’s president, on multiple occasions in recent weeks but her close friend of more than a decade has stuck by her — so far.

“The president thought I should stay,” Ms Graças Foster told reporters this week.

Petrobras, the pride of Brazil in 2007 after it announced the world’s largest offshore oil discoveries in decades, is today in danger of becoming a pariah among investors and a national shame for Brazilians.

The company has been thrown into disarray by an investigation by Brazilian police and prosecutors alleging that former senior executives, construction companies and politicians of Ms Rousseff`s Workers’ party-led ruling coalition creamed billions of dollars off Petrobras’ contracts.

This allegedly took place under the noses of Ms Rousseff, who was the company’s chairman until she took office in 2010, and Ms Graças Foster, who has led Petrobras since 2012.

Although neither are accused of direct involvement, the scandal has sparked an investigation by the US Securities and Exchange Commission and led the dual-listed company’s auditor, PwC, to refuse to sign off on its accounts until Petrobras has conducted its own inquiry.

If Petrobras is unable to satisfy PwC’s concerns and release audited financial results by April 30, the company, one of Brazil’s biggest corporate borrowers with debt estimated by Moody’s credit rating agency at $170bn, could trigger a technical default.

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78 posted on 12/29/2014 12:49:11 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
In the early 80’s I had a neighbor that kept odd hours and could be seen going to his detached shed at 2am many nights. I befriended him and after two years he confided in me what he was doing. He was hedging currency around the world. His tools? A teletype and a rotary phone. Guy had a knack for it and died leaving his kids a fortune. Catch was he had it stashed in several other countries.
79 posted on 12/29/2014 12:55:53 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

I KNOW! Sometimes you LOOK like you’re crazy...and then later, it’s proven that you’re not! :)

I am well diversified. Peeps here get all concerned (which I APPRECIATE!) that all of my eggs are in one basket, but they’re not.

It’s just that my other investments haven’t QUADRUPLED in 14 years. I mean, really. Compare my ‘return’ on my 401K or my IRA or even individual stocks. I AM tracking ALL of my investment vehicles.

When all is said and done, I’m still certain that ‘lead’ will be the one to save me in the end. ;)


80 posted on 12/29/2014 5:04:49 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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