Posted on 11/03/2014 9:13:54 AM PST by redinIllinois
good article by Neal Boortz
http://www.wsbradio.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2014/oct/29/michelle-nunn-and-fairtax/
http://fairtax.org/cosponsors/
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s00122:@@@P
THE FAIR TAX WOULD BE THE BIGGEST TRANSFER OF POWER FROM DC BACK TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY
A flat tax is still an income tax, and would leave the IRS in place.
It punishes productivity, and fails to capture any revenue from the illegal aliens and illegal activities like drugs and prostitution because most of them don't report their income, but they buy stuff, so with the Fair Tax, they would start paying a share.
The IRS tried to take out the Tea Party, it would be sweet vengeance for the Tea Party to take out the IRS.
The IRS terrorizes Americans with the threat and expense of an audit.
And now we are supposed to trust this monstrous agency with our lives and health?
Say no to terrorism - abolish the IRS.
Every discussion should point out that now is the time for the Fair Tax!!
A Flat tax could be designed to be simple, fair, and workable. It could also be made tamperproof.
Allow only one deduction with no exceptions, earnings up to the federal poverty level, everything above that amount would be taxed at the determined flat-tax rate.
The federal poverty level deduction could only increase/decrease with the rate of inflation/deflation.
The Flat-tax rate would include a percentage to be used for social security/Medicare.
It would be written right into the law that any change to the Flat-tax rate would require a vote of 2/3 of both houses of congress, and any change to the one and only deduction ( earnings up to poverty level) would void the entire law.
Married, single, 10 kids or none at all, only that one deduction that everyone would get.
Wages, capital gains, earnings on interest/bonds, whatever, all the same Flat tax rate.
Flat Tax or Fair Tax, in either case you’re going to have a lot of people at the lower end of the earnings spectrum that are going to see their taxes go up. And a lot of people at the upper end of the earning spectrum who are going to see their taxes go down. How are you going to sell that to the ones getting hosed?
As long as there’s a 16th amendment and an income tax, the next Congress can always make it more “fair.”
The fairtax is much simpler than any income tax including any flat tax. The USA has had several flat taxes beginning in 1861 (yes before the 16th; and again in the 1870s and 1890s) and all of them were amended and revised to become graduated in subsequent sessions of Congress.
Hence, a flat tax never stays flat.
The fairtax rebate simply provides that no taxpaying American shall pay any federal tax on consumption at a level of essentials.
Hence, the fairtax rebate is a tax cut for all Americans. I’ll take it.
God all you Christians out there.
God stated a tithe, which comes out to be 1 in 10 of everything you make.
Why do you allow others, to make a ‘required tithe’ of MORE THAN THAT, to a ‘government’??
I could see, if any at all, between 5 and 8 in 10. I would rather see none, but the Constitution doesn’t see that, so ok.
That is stupidly complicated. Having the federal government mail checks to everyone is a commie leftist wet dream come true.
a consumption tax is a deal breaker for me for any politician
The fedgov already mails out tens upon tens of millions of checks each month.
It has nothing to do with communism because everyone gets the same rebate as reimbursement of taxes already paid. It’s a tax break which is conservative in character.
Those in favor of an income tax are the ones supporting communism.
then lets have a system where they don’t pay the tax they don’t owe in the first place
“The fairtax is much simpler than any income tax including any flat tax. The USA has had several flat taxes beginning in 1861 (yes before the 16th; and again in the 1870s and 1890s) and all of them were amended and revised to become graduated in subsequent sessions of Congress.
Hence, a flat tax never stays flat.
The fairtax rebate simply provides that no taxpaying American shall pay any federal tax on consumption at a level of essentials.
Hence, the fairtax rebate is a tax cut for all Americans. I’ll take it.”
Thanks for pointing that out - can’t be said often enough :)
A consumption tax is conservative in character.
A retail sales tax is a consumption tax paid by consumers, not businesses.
Here in Washington State there is no income tax. There is a retail sales tax. Liberal western Washington cannot get enough votes to establish an income tax and the Left wants a state income tax bad.
When posters such as yourselves rant against a consumption tax like the Fairtax and argue for an income tax, you’re effectively running a flag up a pole showing you side with the Left.
And don’t spin it that leftists don’t like a flat tax because I know for a fact they welcome it, why?
Because it provides a clean slate to work in the tax changes they want. A flat tax provides an opportunity to start rewriting and amending the income tax. You can’t say “well just forbid any changes” because Congress has the power to make law, to amend it, to change it and there is no constitutional amendment that stops them from changing tax law.
A FLAT TAX NEVER STAYS FLAT.
In fact, there is a constitutional amendment, the 16th, which pretty much allows Congress to do whatever they want for income tax law.
The reason that the income tax is so hopelessly complicated now is because Congress can change it at will. It grows and grows and grows and grows, and the same will happen to any flat tax because a flat tax is an income tax and is the embryonic form of what exists today.
“a consumption tax is a deal breaker for me for any politician”
why do you prefer an income tax?
Who would be against the Fair Tax?
Professional politicians and their enablers.
Politicians
Lobbyists
IRS agents
Income tax preparers and planners
Are you one of those?
stephenjohnbanker:
The IRS has become a thug, left wing unionized bunch of criminals. Abolish the IRS!
OneWingedShark:
A flat-rate, no credit, no write-off/deduction, no exemption, no exception system would allow that.
Arthur McGowan:
As long as there’s a 16th amendment and an income tax, the next Congress can always make it more “fair.”
GeronL:
If it doesn’t CUT TAXES, make taxes less complicated, and it is “revenue neutral” and keeps taking from some taxpayers and giving it to non-tax payers… what is the point??
Arthur McGowan:
If the 16th Amendment is not repealed, the “progressive” tax rates will come back. Envy and avarice are always on the prowl. There will always be a large constituency for soaking “the rich.”
Here's how I'd do it:
| Tax Reform Amendment |
|---|
| Section I No tax, fee, fine, or judgement —federal, State, or subdivision of either— shall ever be withheld from any wage. Section II No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied. Section III The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state, therefore no tax (or fine) shall be laid upon munitions or the sale thereof. Section IV The seventh amendment is also hereby recognized, and nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress. Section V No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%. Section VI No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction. Section VII No retrospective, retroactive or ex post facto tax, fee, or fine shall ever be valid; nor shall the Congress delegate the creation of any tax, fee, or fine in any way; nor shall Congress give any credit, exemption, or deduction to any person or class of persons whatsoever. Section VIII No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position. Section IX Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent abridging, attempting to abridge, or otherwise circumventing this amendment shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit. |
I have a few more ideas for amendments here; note that the above version is the working copy
of the amendment and not yet published to the PDF.
Stop telling everyone who disagrees you that they are “siding with the left”. Because nobody on FR does. You won’t change any minds with tactics like that.
Go ahead and put in a national sales tax, no prebate. That would be preferable to what we have now. Of course, once the Dems take power again, we’ll get both the income tax and the NST will stay.
The rest is hogwash.
Aye — which is exactly what my tax-reform amendment would correct.
bump
One reason I'm against a national
sales tax is because I fear that it would be mutated into a progressive tax based on (a) your income, and (b) the item being bought/sold… your income could easily be provided (along with your healthcare info) by a microchip in the right hand. (The other reason is that it would utterly cement Wickard v. Filburn and its terrible assertion that all in-state commerce is regulable by Congress.)
I like this. Good job!
That’s what the rebate does!
Can you survive on $852 per month? Won’t you agree that almost every American will completely spend their first $852 per month on consumer necessities? Now of that $852 spent at the cash register there will be a federal sales tax (consumer only; not for businesses), of $196 and that is what is reimbursed to the taxpayer as a rebate. And because there’s a lot of folks at low income levels like seniors on social security alone, that $196 is a huge burden to them. So we have the federal government send the $196 at the beginning of the month rather than the end, and that’s why the Rebate is called a Prebate!
Thank you very much.
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