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How Military Guns Make the Civilian Market
Government Executive ^ | 28 July 2014 | By Matt Valentine

Posted on 07/28/2014 9:57:54 AM PDT by SLB

This week, the U.S. Army will brief arms manufacturers on the design requirements for a new standard-issue handgun. Several gun makers will compete for the lucrative contract, developing weapons that are more reliable and more powerful than those currently in service. Officials say the upgrade is overdue—it’s been nearly 30 years since the Army adopted the Beretta M9. But the last time the military challenged the industry to make a better handgun, all the innovations intended for the battlefield also ended up in the consumer market, and the severity of civilian shootings soared.

Studying gunshot injuries in the D.C. area in the 1980s, Daniel Webster of Johns Hopkins University noticed an alarming trend—as time went on, more and more patients were arriving at the emergency room with multiple bullet wounds. In 1983, at the beginning of the study period, only about a quarter of gunshot patients had multiple injuries, but in the last two years of the study, that proportion had risen to 43 percent. Over the same period, semiautomatic pistols with a capacity of 15-rounds (or more) were replacing six-shot revolvers as the most popular firearms in the country. It’s not difficult to see the correlation—more bullets in the guns, more bullets in the victims. But why had guns changed so radically in such a short period of time?

(Excerpt) Read more at govexec.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; military
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Good news today about carrying in DC so I thought I might go ahead and take the opportunity to remind everyone that not all of the establishment supports an armed public.
1 posted on 07/28/2014 9:57:54 AM PDT by SLB
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; Lion Den Dan; Jeff Head

Original article was in The Atlantic.


2 posted on 07/28/2014 9:58:48 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: SLB

I’ve heard the argument ‘yeah, but who needs a bazooka’. Well, if the local police have an MWRAP then I need an RPG.


3 posted on 07/28/2014 10:01:42 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: SLB

The military should be equipped with PaintSoft guns to minimize the impact on the civilian market.


4 posted on 07/28/2014 10:03:24 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: SLB

“Original article was in The Atlantic”

That explains the rhetoric


5 posted on 07/28/2014 10:06:00 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: SLB

Hey, I’ve got a imaginative idea...

How about a Colt 1911......? or any brand of 1911....lol


6 posted on 07/28/2014 10:06:57 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: SLB

This article is stupid. On-scene emergency medicine and response times have improved over the decades, so more victims are going to “arrive at the ER” with more bullet wounds. Previously, they would just bleed out on the scene. The availability of telecommunications to citizens (phones in more homes, cell phones, etc.) would improve the likelihood of a faster EMS response to a shooting scene. There are many factors that would affect these numbers beyond the number of evil bullets in an evil gun.


7 posted on 07/28/2014 10:09:34 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: SLB

What a totally stupid article. The complete lack of logic and critical thinking should embarrass leftists into silence.


8 posted on 07/28/2014 10:15:45 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SLB
Assuming that the shooter stops shooting once his target is on the ground, more bullet holes in survivors reveals more about the projectiles used rather than how many were available to launch.

BTW, I used to term "projectiles" because so many folks don't seem to know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet.

9 posted on 07/28/2014 10:16:50 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Stormdog

Yep. Gotta consider the source.


10 posted on 07/28/2014 10:19:44 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: tbpiper

We have a right to Nukes.

We’ve just temporarily delegated the use of nukes to our government.

We can take back that right by a vote of the people to un-delegate the right of nukes.

People are in charge, and G-d gave “US” individuals the right of self defense, not “the U.S.”


11 posted on 07/28/2014 10:20:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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To: SLB

Thanks for the posting. Makes me wonder what kind of crunch’nticker the military will come up with. I miss the opportunity of discussing this with you over coffee.
Dan


12 posted on 07/28/2014 10:24:38 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: ozzymandus

Leftists are incapable of being embarrassed, let alone embarrassed into silence.


13 posted on 07/28/2014 10:29:55 AM PDT by Bob
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To: tbpiper

Wasn’t one of the purposes of the “milita” was to counter the effects of and reduce the need for a standing army.


14 posted on 07/28/2014 10:30:42 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: SLB

I see bloomberg is spreading his money around to get “journalists” to write anti-gun propaganda for him.


15 posted on 07/28/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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16 posted on 07/28/2014 10:48:03 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SLB
Perhaps the relatively wimpy 9mm cartridge also contributes to victim survival.

The purpose of a military firearm is to incapacitate, not necessarily kill. A victim with multiple 9mm holes in him is much more likely to survive to get to the ER than one who has multiple 45 caliber holes.

Also, the man with only six shots available to him is much more likely to place his shots where he wants them, the high-capacity shooter tends to "spray and pray", hoping to hit something.

Therefore, it seems to me that the author should be grateful for the high capacity, wimpier modern handguns.

17 posted on 07/28/2014 10:52:58 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit.)
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To: Cold Heat

I remember hearing somewhere about a new pistol modeled on the 1911 with a double stack mag, 16 rds I think it said. Don’t know any details about manufacturer, production status. The extra rounds would be about the only thing I would change about that fine piece of historic machinery.


18 posted on 07/28/2014 10:58:09 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: Uncle Miltie

Sorry Uncle Miltie,
I would start a homeowners association to block you having nuclear material nextdoor to me.
A conventional howitzer could pass muster ....


19 posted on 07/28/2014 11:01:23 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: jstaff
Yup....I agree...I have not seen it either but double stacking the mag is totally possible with some reworking of the frame and grip. The grip needed to be improved anyway. The hammer pinch was always chewing up my hand, but I could pound nails with it.

I'm guessing they will go to a .40....just a guess. With many women in the military having smaller hands, I don't see them going back to a .45 1911. Homeland Sec and others are using the .40 now. The 9mm is too light, they seem to think.

In the military they are not allowed to use hollow points,(Nato banned) (for most standard issue weapons)so the caliber and knock down ability is more important. The .45 has always had that. I like the .40 Sig...but there are a bunch of others.

20 posted on 07/28/2014 11:16:16 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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