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Sorry, George W. Bush, but this whole mess is still your fault (vomit up both lungs)
Salon ^ | 6/17/14 | Rosenberg

Posted on 06/17/2014 8:18:57 AM PDT by pabianice

Like clockwork, the Republican noise machine is blaming Barack Obama for the crisis in Iraq. And like clockwork, they’ve got everything wrong again.

The man to blame for what’s happening in Iraq is not President Obama — it’s President Bush.

Contrary to Tony Blair’s latest protestations, the U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq — under deliberately fraudulent pretenses – had a great deal to do with enabling the current emergence of a Sunni terrorist military power in Iraq, but it goes much deeper than that. The recent success of ISIS — the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — is exactly what Osama bin Laden had hoped that the 9/11 attacks would lead to. And thanks to Bush’s spectacularly foolish responses, bin Laden’s dream has come true.

Before 9/11, bin Laden was a terrorist and could only dream of becoming the “holy warrior” he imagined himself to be. When Bush chose to respond to 9/11 as an act of war, rather than a crime, he gave bin Laden the gift he had always wanted, just by conferring that status.

First, by invading Afghanistan, Bush validated bin Laden’s claim that what was happening was a religious war between Islam and the Christian West. Then, by invading Iraq and deposing his most prominent ideological foe, Saddam Hussein, Bush gave bin Laden a second gift—a much stronger position of influence throughout the region.

But the invasion also fractured Iraq’s tenuous factional stability, and was followed by a whole series of bad decisions making matters even worse. on their own.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; isis; obama
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1 posted on 06/17/2014 8:18:57 AM PDT by pabianice
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the U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq — under deliberately fraudulent pretenses

I stopped reading there. The author has nothing intelligent to say on the topic.

2 posted on 06/17/2014 8:21:00 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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You have to be paid be the Democrats to write this kind of stuff.


3 posted on 06/17/2014 8:21:20 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Billy Carter’s brother Jimmy is the one that took down the Shaw of Iran. Wasn’t it Clinton that was in office when Iran was attacked?


4 posted on 06/17/2014 8:22:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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You have to be paid be the Democrats to write this kind of stuff.

But first, you have to get a full frontal lobotomy.

5 posted on 06/17/2014 8:22:42 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: pabianice

It’s hard for me to connect the dots in a liberal’s brain. They absolutely lack reasoning ability.


6 posted on 06/17/2014 8:23:09 AM PDT by boycott
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They always miss the point that a great leader, like Ronald Reagan, doesn’t complain about their predecessor. They roll up their sleeves and get the job done.

Barky Hussein simply is not a great, or even good, leader.


7 posted on 06/17/2014 8:23:23 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: pabianice

Someone throw this little yapping dog a treat so he’ll shut up.


8 posted on 06/17/2014 8:23:54 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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Bush derangement syndrome rears it’s ugly head again.....


9 posted on 06/17/2014 8:24:32 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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At the end of year eight he will still be “inheriting this mess.”


10 posted on 06/17/2014 8:24:58 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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Truth about Iraq is that if Bill Clinton had handled it better, there would have been absolutely no need to go over there.

The left often talk about how the sanctions hurt the Iraqi people. Wasn’t Clinton president for 8 years?


11 posted on 06/17/2014 8:25:37 AM PDT by boycott
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They always miss the point that a great leader, like Ronald Reagan, doesn’t complain about their predecessor.

So true. I don't remember Reagan whining about Carter for 5 years.

12 posted on 06/17/2014 8:26:36 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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I’ve been trying to follow this mess since Obama put GWB’s regime-change disaster on steroids. The most obvious cause of this out-of-control mess is that the US armed and trained terrorists in Syria. That’s all Obama’s and McCain’s doing, probably inspired by Saudi Arabia.


13 posted on 06/17/2014 8:27:36 AM PDT by grania
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"...the U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq — under deliberately fraudulent pretenses..."

Okay, then why did so many Democrats vote to give President Bush the authority to go into Iraq?

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff February 17, 1998

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan Resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability.

Democracy will not spring up by itself overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated society that's suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis, including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds, deserve to be represented. This is not just a moral imperative. It's a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner, and such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world."

Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina) Speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies October 7, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.

This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York) Addressing the US Senate October 10, 2002

"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University February 18, 1998

"Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National Security Advisor Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University February 18, 1998

Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998. The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton, states:

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 105th Congress, 2nd Session September 29, 1998

The Guardian

February 6, 1999

Saddam link to Bin Laden

By Julian Borger

Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.

The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.

News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."

14 posted on 06/17/2014 8:27:59 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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Wow so I guess before GW terrorism didn't exist.

Bill Clintons response.....


15 posted on 06/17/2014 8:29:10 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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Saddam himself gave us explicit permission to reinvade Iraq.

In the ceasefire agreement for the first Gulf War, he was to allow easy movement of weapon inspectors, as well as no lock-ons to planes in the “No Fly Zone.” He broke both, allowing resumption of war.

All arguments Libs have fall to this line of reasoning.

Eat it, Libs.

16 posted on 06/17/2014 8:29:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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Isn’t Ken Starr somehow also to blame for this?

Hard to keep up sometimes.


17 posted on 06/17/2014 8:31:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Iraq under Saddam Hussein:

1) Developed and used chemical weapons (WMD) against the Kurds and in the war with Iran.

2) Invaded two countries-—Kuwait and Iran.

3) Fired SCUD missiles at Israel.

4) Plotted to assassinate a US president (George H.W. Bush)

5) Harbored international terrorists including Abu Nidal.

6) Funded the families of suicide bombers terrorizing Israel.

7) Practiced massed genocide and ethnic cleansing, especially against the Kurds.

The US had every right to liberate this nation and bring Saddam to his just reward.

God bless President Bush for liberating Iraq and freeing it from tyranny.

And God....BHO for turning the country back to hell.


18 posted on 06/17/2014 8:32:28 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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There is no doubt that if the democrats and leftist media repeat this diatribe long enough, the stupid ignorant sheep will believe it.


19 posted on 06/17/2014 8:32:43 AM PDT by maplenut (Question!!)
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Actually a lot of blame to go around but both Bush’s can get the majority of the blame for all of this.


20 posted on 06/17/2014 8:33:39 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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