Posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) thinks there’s still hope for immigration reform this year, but only if Democrats are willing to negotiate.
“People have to acknowledge that the Democrats, if they want it passed, have to make more of a compromise,” he said in a talk to students at Harvard's Institute of Politics on Friday.
Paul envisions that compromise as some sort of legal status — “status and a place for people here so that they can come out of the shadows, let them begin paying taxes, let them not be locked up and having them run from the authorities,” he said. But he said that status would not include the voting rights “that everybody wants.”
He said voting rights could come “someday,” but at this point in the debate the only reform he thinks could pass is a more stripped-down bill.
The Senate did pass a comprehensive reform bill last June with strong bipartisan support, but Paul voted against that bill — because, he said on Friday, it “doesn’t do enough.” He said the caps on different kinds of workers were too low to effectively deal with the problem.
“We can’t have a limit so small that it doesn’t encompass what the demand is,” Paul said.
Hopes for final passage of a reform package this year have faltered in the House, where Republican leaders have said they have no plans to bring up the Senate bill for a vote, and no alternative comprehensive reform package has emerged. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) seemed to confirm the slim chance for reform this year during a speech Thursday in his home district where he mocked fellow Republicans for refusing to tackle the issue.
"Here's the attitude: 'Ohhhh. Don't make me do this. Ohhhh. This is too hard,' " he told a meeting of the Middletown Rotary Club.
But Paul charged that the failure to move forward with reform lies partly with Democrats, some of whom he said are content to “keep beating up the Republicans on this” because it’s helping the party win the Hispanic vote.
“And then there are some responsible people on both sides who want to pass something,” he added.
The Kentucky senator concluded: “I still think something could pass this year. Some of it more than anything is attitude, that we treat people with dignity and respect and that we acknowledge that we were all immigrants at one point in time, that immigrants are an asset.”
“Just one example, Singapore airport has several dozen PC’s for use by passengers with free internet. What is the last time you saw such facility in a US airport?”
Agree with everything you said, except I have actually seen such as setup at the Mpls-St Paul International Terminal. They have dozens of free Ipads for anyone to use, and when I was there, hardly anyone was using any of them! I assumed you had to pay for them, till my daughter picked one up and started surfing the web with it. I later learned they were provided by the restaurant within the terminal — the Ipads can be used to order food delivered to each table. But they told me they only had like 3 of them in the whole country...
I guess I have not been through Minneapolis airport. So I have no doubt at all those iPads exist.
Singapore airport is big, with electric train connecting various sections. The PC’s were placed by the airport itself because they were not part of any restaurant or other private business. There were plenty of them in all sections, with nice large monitors. I really needed to email my ride in Seattle about my arrival time so came in very handy.
Even more impressive is the highway connecting the cruise terminal to the airport, a distance of 10-12 miles. Most of it is underground to bypass city traffic. My taxi flew through it at max posted speed. It was just after 9 am so had to be still rush hour. The entire tunnel, several miles long, is well lighted and modern looking. The last mile or two the highway comes out of the tunnel, and there were pretty flower trees on both sides of the highway.
The cruise terminal is the best I have seen, and I have seen many on my 25 or 26 cruises world wide. 1 in 6 citizens of Singapore is a millionaire, so it is the highest concentration of rich people per capita in the world. And all this progress was done in just a few decades starting with the post-British era.
Here's what I'll support.
You're here illegally; you've committed no violent crime, other than breaking into our country at this point.
You want to stay here? Fine. Here's the conditions.
1. PROVE you have a job and are paying taxes. If you've been here more than five years, you're paying ALL of those back taxes that you owe plus penalties, the same as ANY of us would have to do, with a rabid IRS breathing down your neck. Every damned dime. And your employer needs to VERIFY that you work for him, and explain WHY he was hiring someone who wasn't paying their taxes, and WHY he wasn't doing Federal Withholding.
2. You register with INS IMMEDIATELY, and you get in line, and WAIT for Citizenship. You are NOT a Citizen for at least fifteen (15) years. That's called Probation, and it's because you broke our laws, gave us the middle finger, and jumped ahead of more deserving people who did it the right way. And be grateful that we're letting you stay.
3. You are NOT entitled to VOTE for at least fifteen (15) years. That's to protect US from YOU - so you don't make a beeline for the polling booth to vote Dems into control for freebies. You GET NO FREEBIES; you ALREADY got a Freebie by being allowed to stay here. If you attempt to vote in our elections in that time frame and are caught, you're gone. Outta here. After time served (see #5 below).
4. You are NOT entitled to Social Security for at LEAST fifteen (15) years. That's because you haven't EARNED it, you paid nothing into it, and that money belongs to the people who HAVE paid into it, and did it the right way, all their lives.
5. If you are convicted of ANY crime within that Probationary time frame, you're GONE - outta here, booted, Deported - AFTER you've served jail time, with a few extra years tacked on for being here illegally to begin with. Consider that the price of coming here illegally to begin with.
I think this is the only "reform" I'd agree with.
OK I’ll play
Each and every individual illegal requires an American Sponsor. Only one sponsor per illegal.
That sponsor is 100% legally responsible for the illegal. Any debts incured are on the sponsor. Any crimes committed are to be paid for/time served by the sponsor.
Health care must be obtained and if not paid by the illegal, then by the sponsor.
We’ll go with your 15 year period. During that time the sponsor agrees to surrender his vote to the potential American in training. To teache this budding patriot the value of the vote.
Any children born are not Americans until such time as they go through standard immigration procedure. Illegals must agree to this as a condition for entry into the program.
Let the Dems put their skin in the game. They go into limbo while the illegal is integrated into society.
That is fair. And fair is what is most important!
“...Each and every individual illegal requires an American Sponsor. Only one sponsor per illegal...”
Sounds good. Add it in.
“...That sponsor is 100% legally responsible for the illegal. Any debts incured are on the sponsor. Any crimes committed are to be paid for/time served by the sponsor....”
I Like it.
“...Health care must be obtained and if not paid by the illegal, then by the sponsor....”
At twice the cost, to make up for all the “free” Emergency Room care that they may have used.
“...We’ll go with your 15 year period. ...”
Make it 20. I figured it would a good assimilation period.
“...Any children born are not Americans until such time as they go through standard immigration procedure...”
I’m good with it.
“...Let the Dems put their skin in the game. They go into limbo while the illegal is integrated into society...”
Association with any political party in that frame is illegal.
Write those additions in, brother...!!
We must be fair. These thing are fair. So the Dems and Rinos should be fine with them. They are all doable within the current infrastructure. Plenty of newly hired feds to check up on them all so it won’t cost a dime extra.
Put up or shut up time for the illegal fans. I mean they have nothing to be concerned about since all these illegals are pure of heart.
Oh and of course each politician voting for this new amnesty must personally sponsor an illegal.
At RANDOM.
“...Oh and of course each politician voting for this new amnesty must personally sponsor an illegal.
At RANDOM....”
HAHA!! yeah, I can see THAT happening!!!
Maybe Harry Reid can sponsor an MS-13 gangbanger...
Well of course it will happen. Why not at random? They are all just good people hiding in the shadows. They want only to come here and pay taxes to live the American dream.
Why on earth would the politicians who tell us this daily have any issue whatsoever with sponsoring a random illegal? One is just as pure and hard working as any other.
Frankly I’m offended you’d think otherwise ;)
“...One is just as pure and hard working as any other....”
As pure as the driven snow... the poor “losers of life’s lottery”... Yeah... I got it!!! haha!
“...Frankly I’m offended you’d think otherwise ;)..”
That’s cuz I’m some evil Nativist after all!!! I mean, gee... who on Earth would want to like, protect their own country, and all....
Rand Paul was never a conservative...
I’ll tell you who.
People that fear change.
And some people will never accept change. they have no hope. No hope for change. Because with change comes hope. Hope for change.
It was the great humanitarian William Ayres who once said that people who do not hope for change are an impediment to those who do. And Ayres had a solution for this unfortunate dilemma. A ‘final’ solution if you will.
Because clearly there must be change. I hope.
Yep
“...the great humanitarian William Ayres...”
Yeah... yeah, I remember that guy... full of love, compassion, and tolerance for everyone... wanted to “elevate” all of us... Used pyrotechnics to “elevate” a police station.
And hopefully, the change that initially changed the change, would, I hope, BE the change that change agents hoped for, in their hopeful fashion, of course...
Because, ultimately everything WE did prior sucked, and everything SINCE hope and change has been rainbows and Unicorns crapping Skittles... hopefully.
William was merely misunderstood! you see, to understand Ayres, one need only recognize him as the great educator history will record him to me.
Ayres taught us many things, but perhaps to understand him best, one need only view the iconic photo where he stands, suspended atop the filth ridden ground, supported, cradled in loving embrace of you will, by the flag of the country he so dearly and clearly loves.
That one photo sums up the man in a way I never could. I don’t think any of us could really. Because there are depth to him that we just cannot fathom. Fathomless depths where change forms and develops far out of the sight of mere men.
Ayres is something beyond their ken. A transformative personage and the embodiment of change.
For was it not he who brought us hope? Hope for change?
I do not think there is one of us here today that does not hope for change and lets be frank...Bill Ayres is the man most directly responsible for building within us, the hope for change. There in his living room, he changed a man. Perhaps a Kenyan man, perhaps an Indonesian man. Perhaps a Muslim man. And he CHANGED that man. He changed him into another man. The man we know today that brought the change developed in the bottomless fathoms of Ayres to America.
And so America was changed. And by extension, you, yes you!...now hope for change yourself.
Do you deny it? Do you deny the hope for change?
CLEARLY this entire board hopes for change.
And we owe it all to Bill Ayres.
“...Do you deny it? Do you deny the hope for change?...”
Oh, there’s DEFINITELY a “longing” for change... BIG time change.... like orange-jumper clad, manacled, bread-and-water diet, solitary-confinement type change for a few choice individuals.
And it starts this November.
I can feel it emanating from you: The need for change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkOGH52_ms
It’s like a glow. A great and holy man, Confessor Cromwell, leader of the Church of Atom...he too felt the need for change. He was much like Bill Ayres. He saw the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies. and he worked to change that. He sought, like Ayres, division. The Great Division.
Do you NF? Do you hear the thunder of his voice? Do you feel the power of the glow?
Ayres sought to give birth through a trillion new universes through our wretched and filthy bodies. But like many in our racist, class divided country, he lacked the means and so he did Atoms will with the mere chemical based explosives he had on hand...so great was his determination!
Join Ayres Brother. Join with his brother Cromwell. Feel the power of the glow...
And be divided.
“...Do you NF? Do you hear the thunder of his voice? Do you feel the power of the glow?...”
Yeah... like the mutants in “Beneath The Planet Of The Apes” worshiping the missile...
EXACTLY! And they had such a great utopian society!
Not like us. They accepted...embraced change. They became something beyond us. And why shouldn’t they? Humans suck. Conservative humans are worse still. They deny change.
I am so happy to hear that you feel the power of the glow! Soon, any moment now, Lord Barack will deliver us all. And our Atoms will spread across the universe. there will be no time for putting Conservatives in Orange jump suits (which OF COURSE I am SURE you were referring to conservatives and not our blessed bringers of hope and change!...perish the thought)
Soon! Soon we will be divided! Oh joy! Oh Happy day!
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