THE BUNDY DAUGHTER SPEAKS OUT ON GOVERNMENT TERRORISM AGAINST HER FAMILY! (Nevada Rancher)

America's Freedom Fighters ^ | Apr 9, 2014 | Clark Kent

[xzins]

By SHIREE BUNDY COX:

I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights.

Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve.

Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with their own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card.

You’ve already heard about the desert tortis.

Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now they’re desperate.

It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything they’re doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them.

All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?

Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

[taxcontrol]

I’m sure that the Bundy clan feel that they have been wronged. But her own statement shows that not to be the case. From the article “... These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads...”

Their ancestors paid the government to use that land.

“...My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve....”

Bundy himself paid grazing fees but when he disagreed with how those fees were used, he quit paying. Of course, to make his position sound better, he says he “fired” the BLM. Guess what, he doesn’t get to fire the BLM because the BLM was established by the land owner (US government) to manage the land that the US government owns. They did not work for him in the first place.

Once he stopped paying his fees, he stopped having access rights to that land. No different than a renter who stops paying rent.

[editor-surveyor]

I didn’t say he acted logically.

Fear of government never spawns logic.

[butterdezillion]

No WAY could Lois Lerner be doing anything wrong; if she had done anything wrong the REPUBLICAN Congress would have ousted her years and years ago. She would have been arrested before her little thought could even make it onto an email to be sent out. Her co-workers in the regime would have jumped on her so badly that she would never have been able to do a thing! Because the system works. Really, really, REALLY it works (and I don’t even have my fingers crossed behind my back when I say that either!). It stops all the bad guys before they do bad things. Nothing truly bad can ever happen in America. No corruption. No crimes. No conspiracies to do anything but love people and honor the Constitution, here in this country. There is no battle for the soul of America and the free world. That’s all just a big lie made up by crazy people who need to get a life.

There are no cats in America and the streets are paved with cheese. Everybody knows that.

Only freak conspiracy theorists would say otherwise. And if you want to peddle that kind of conspiracy nonsense you better go someplace else.

[WayneS]

Yes, but by that argument the government could claim they 'need' 1,000,000 acres of land to build a 100 acre national park. That would be an unreasonable claim.

Regardless of the powers with which they have been entrusted by the People, it is reasonable to demand that our government exercise those powers in a reasonable manner.

There is NO reason whatsoever for the federal government to own any more land than is absolutely necessary to construct and maintain those types facilities, and only those types of facilities, enumerated in the constitution.

Your argument is really nothing more than acquiescence to an unnecessary expansion of power by the federal government - and I oppose ALL unnecessary expansions of the federal government.

[taxcontrol]

Need I remind you that you called the argument “nonsensical sophistry”. Sorry, but that is name calling.

So if you want to even have a chance of wining the debate, you need to stop this series of name calling and return to debate the facts.

1) The land is owned by the US Government
2) The government charges grazing fees to use that land that Bundy has not paid
3) Bundy has court orders against his grazing the cattle on the government land
4) and just like any other squatter, he is being evicted from land that he does not own or have any access right to.

[demshateGod]

I was thinking that this is probably the wrong hill to die on.

[WayneS]

No bet!

However, since a donut now costs darn near a dollar, you’re not offering very good odds... ;-)

[TigersEye]

Need I remind you that you called the argument “nonsensical sophistry”. Sorry, but that is name calling.

Only to an illiterate man.

[crz]

Ask him who that land is held for, under what, and who manages it. All unconstitutional.

So, if that land is held as a trust, for the American people, and it is managed by the BLM. Then is it held for the Bundys since they are American?

If I were the Judge in this case, and as the Bundys say, that they own that land. I would say. OK, then since 1993 you owe taxes on that land to your state/local government. If you pay an average of those years taxes by said date, then you will get clear title to that land.
But a Judge cant do that..because it is considered BLM land. Question then becomes, who the hells land is it? Answer, if the state of Nevada never gave that land to the federal government, then it is the state of Nevadas land. If not Nevada, then the people.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

[CatherineofAragon]

"When I was told something similar here there was no sarc tag anywhere.

Nor was there playful banter to make the sarcasm evident. It was dead serious.

I was reading that thread for entertainment.

I saw the remark you reference, and I agree with it, coming as it did in response to your talk of wax dummies substituted for bodies in coffins.

I notice you're not saying WHO the remark came from...

[SpeakerToAnimals]

He is a taker that is using public resources without compensation.

I have to wonder if you have ever spent time in this area. Desolate and remote, very dry, little vegetation. A few hundred cows spread across hundreds of square miles. Dirt bikes roar across this desert at 80MPH. There are no fences, it is open range.

A person can drive on two lane roads and not see another car or a building for many miles.

[taxcontrol]

Well, out here in the West, the government does that. It tries to grab up thousands / millions of acres. Per the Constitution, that land has to be granted to the US by the state and must be paid for by the US Government (Article 1 section 8).

Now, should there be a constitutional limit on the holding of the US government within a state. Sure, I can support that. How about a limit of 20%. But that is a different conversation that does Bundy have the right to graze on public lands without paying the usage fees required by law?

[taxcontrol]

Again with the name calling

[WayneS]

;-)

[TigersEye]

Did Bundy claim to own the land? I hadn’t seen or heard that. I think he’s just claiming the right to use it. He should use eminent domain to claim it and then he would own it. Then the state could rightfully impose a property tax.

[taxcontrol]

The deployment of so many officers was excessive. Likely this could have been handled by half a dozen sheriff’s deputies.

[TigersEye]

Are you so uneducated that you don’t know the difference between name calling and a characterization of the content of your words? If you’re that stupid you’re not worth talking to.

[demshateGod]

I’m anti-government and think a revolution/civil war is the only thing that will save America, but I’m not convinced by this woman’s statement. It sounds like he quit paying mandatory fees because he didn’t like what the government was doing with the money. I’m not sure that’s a good idea. Granted, when my 0care penalty comes do, I’ll do whatever I can to not pay it, and the people who come to collect will have to kill me.

[Lou Budvis]

I’ve been near there and it is all that you described. However, it is obviously suitable for grazing. It should be noted though, that Bundy stopped paying before the gov’t stopped grazing on that land.

[WayneS]

If you look back though the thread, I think you will find that I never said he does.