Russia will not allow all of Ukraine to be part of NATO. It will not allow Crimea to be a NATO base. Not now and not for the next 40 years.
The country may be split West and East and the largely useless and poor West can join NATO, but we will have to regularly pump billions of dollars in to have this territory.
We are bankrupt, financially, and increasingly morally.
The last thing we need is a conflict in Europe over a non-vital U.S. interest. We have other more pressing geopolitical issues, including the Middle East and the Pacific.
The Neo-Cons are threatening our nation yet again with more bankruptcy and more dead and maimed young boys. They want Cold War 2. NO thanks!
The old croc is right.
“Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus”
Will they go with monitored elections and a brokered solution?
Depends on how well our “President” and the EU idiots play it. Putin doesn’t want any interference or lectures.
Send Kissinger. He’s not dead yet. Le Duc Tho said he was the most implacable negotiator he’d ever encountered, and that’s saying a lot coming from an Asian Communist.
Hopefully he won’t give up too much ground like he did in ‘73 when he left half of Vietnam in VC hands.
But that was a bit different...and almost anyone is better then Lurch
Dr K says: “... if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other — it should function as a bridge between them.”
This makes sense
But, “The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country.”
This does not.
Is this Putin propaganda? Seriously, Ukraine should be independent and not a satellite of either side of this.
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There you have it. That will be the final result even if Crimea reverts to Russia
Russia and Ukraine can’t really be separated.
Principled negotiations suggests Kissinger calmly.
Brzezinski’s op-ed was more liberal hysteria
Russia wins this one. Let the EU deal with. The Ukraine's disarmed themselves on promises from socialists and democrats. I'm not very interested in them or Europe right now when my own country is being dismantled wholesale by a kenyan faggot.
I have this in my library:
Kissinger: the adventures of super-kraut
http://books.google.com/books/about/Kissinger.html?id=HydCAAAAIAAJ
I am pretty sure this promise is just a Russian myth. Everyone in the USA, including George H. W. Bush, has denied it. Below is a page with a link to 17 a page document by Mark Kramer on it.
https://csis.org/publication/twq-myth-no-nato-enlargement-pledge-russia-spring-2009
Never. For Russia, that is a red line.
I think a Finland type arrangement might be a workable solution. Finland is a member of the EU but has also pursued a pro-Russia policy out of necessity, both during the Cold War and afterwards.
Ukraine should pursue a similar policy. There is no reason why being in the EU should be incompatible with continued closeness to Russia.
The EU should amend its rules to allow Ukraine to also join the Eurasian Union at a later date if it wants. Europe must not exclude Russia’s interests and make it a zero sum competition about exclusive trading blocs membership.
Finland will never join NATO. The principled approach of Ukraine should be the same stance - we want to be in Europe but we will never side against Russia.
Within that framework, a political settlement is possible. I think it will have to wait until Ukraine gets a freely elected government that has the legitimacy to speak for the country as Russia will never deal with its present leadership.
In before I thought he was dead!
Yes. The people in the streets in Kiev were all shouting "NATO! NATO! NATO!",
Bush promised Gorbachev it would never happen,
Bush made no such promise. This is a lie which has been demolished many times. Stop repeating it, or prove to everyone on FR that you also are a liar.
it happened starting under the next President, Klintoon.
And that is why Ukraine is part of NATO today. [Facepalm.]
No President is bound by any promise made by his predecessors unless that promise is backed by a written treaty confirmed by the Senate.
Things may function differently in your native Russia, but they don't function that way here.
Russia will not allow all of Ukraine to be part of NATO. It will not allow Crimea to be a NATO base. Not now and not for the next 40 years.
And we should be supporting a country which believes it is entitled to dictate the foreign policy decisions of a sovereign neighbor because ...?
Stop spreading your Soviet lies and agitprop in a conservative forum.
Henry Kissinger: The man who lost the Vietnam War.
How about we trade the liberty loving Ukrainians with the Obama Marxists in the United States?
....”Russia will not allow all of Ukraine to be part of NATO. It will not allow Crimea to be a NATO base. Not now and not for the next 40 years”....
Exactly!
It’s been aggressive landgrab for Western/NATO/EU’s soft power’ that’s been the destabilising factor across the world in the last 15 years......Clearly over the last few years the West is now carrying out regime change via proxy wars funding,organizing and using “people” to riot or claim they do so for freedom.
This situation would have never happened if the US/EU/Nato had stayed out and stop imposing their agenda for world domination under the Global Agenda....
Russia is making the right moves to watch its own back and giving the US a clear message to back off!
-PJ