Posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Baynative
SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.
The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant “that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.”
“Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter,” Roberts said. “But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.”
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“I imagine that the data center is self contained like a nuclear sub and can last a long time without refueling.”
Well then, they had better have a big holding tank, because unlike a sub, they won’t be able to “jettison” their crap!
Mormons are good at “shunning non-believers or those who have sinned,” maybe they should make those who work at the data center the moral equivalent of “apostates,” and make their lives in Utah untenable.
>> Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.
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> Umm, and just about EVERY elite democrat...
You forgot just about every republican.
Remember that if they REALLY were against the actions of the FedGov they would oppose, but they do not oppose:
Fast and Furious,
Benghazi,
NSA domestic spying,
IRS-targeting,
DEA money-laundering for cartels,
the horribly contra-constitutional War on Drugs,
the current gun-control [GCA and NFA],
the endless incurring of debt (selling you and your children and theirs and theirs [...] into slavery; as they guarantee it with future taxes which you cannot refuse to pay).
But the courts have ruled that roadblocks to check for DUIs are legal. Every day you set up one of these outside the facility that takes a really really long time to get through. Can the Feds end that?
That'd be nice… but as a federal charge there's likely to be trouble securing conviction [look at the blatant Treason and state-sponsored terrorism of Fast & Furious] as the courts would likely prevent it from ever reaching jury-trial (probably with standing
) — they might be able to increase the odds by using presentments rather than indictments and adding in Conspiracy Against Rights and Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law charges.
It'd probably be better to pursue them under violations of State law and Utah State Constitution:
Article I, Section 7. [Due process of law.]
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.
Article I, Section 11. [Courts open -- Redress of injuries.]
All courts shall be open, and every person, for an injury done to him in his person, property or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law, which shall be administered without denial or unnecessary delay; and no person shall be barred from prosecuting or defending before any tribunal in this State, by himself or counsel, any civil cause to which he is a party.
Article I, Section 14. [Unreasonable searches forbidden -- Issuance of warrant.]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.
I imagine the Feds would put a stop to that, too. If Terry Mcauliffe decides one day he doesn’t like a war being prosecuted, can he impede the activities at the Pentagon? Maybe set up a DUI checkpoint in front of the gate? Close the roads leading to the CIA HQ?
and the pathetic Republican party that allows it to happen.
If it went that far, it would not be settled in the courts. I didn’t hear of any litigation after Ft. Sumter was seized by the South Carolina militia. What you’re talking is CW2.
Kinda the point.
I didn’t hear of any litigation after Ft. Sumter was seized by the South Carolina militia. What you’re talking is CW2.
There actually was, well, after the Civil War… what's interesting though is that the generals and leaders weren't tried for treason. —— There are some that suppose that it was because trying would force a legal no-win for the US: the assertion that they were engaging in treason would entail the assertion that the several states cannot voluntarily leave (which is not supported by the Constitution) but also would mean that the North was guilty of Treason as well as it literally was waging war on several of the states.
Especially when you consider the psychology of being locked up in the same confined space for weeks, months, or even years... It tends to have an effect on the mental health of a person, even if their food, water, and sanitation is taken care of.
Let me guess, water isn’t the easiest thing to come by in a desert state like Utah. But then again, if something needs so much water, why put it in a state with so little annual precipitation, why not set up the NSA center in Washington State? Again, the logic of the feds is astounding, unless they want to drive the Utah people to the ground with thirst, although, IMHO, they aren’t neccessarily brilliant in every aspect of the plan either.
I would bet. Utah doesn’t have all that much water as a state, last time I heard.
NSA DATA CENTER UTAH IS just another Federal jobs program. As such it will not be allowed to shut down
Jobs jobs jobs for slugs slugs slug and if you are are gay lesbian or black then definitely got this job
I wonder if this plant was cited purposely for some social or political leverage.
Hanging the generals would not have exactly made it easy to return to a state of amity between the states. What ever the legal niceties of the criminal offense called treason, the political dimension was very plain.
Also, that data center can’t contain the data or keep it running without diverting millions of gallons of water a day from a nearby river to keep it cool.
On the heels of this proposal, the local Environmental bureau should begin taking a page from leftists and attacking he installation claiming thermal pollution. Surely the water is supposed to be used for cooling the massive electronic infrastructure. A local finding that excessively warm water discharged into the local facilities constitutes an unlawful thermal level. Warm water discharges in volumes larger than the largest private business should be required to cool it sufficiently before discharging it into state or local facilities.
Year in and year out liberals beat the crap out of our country with their sophomoric tactics and we never learn enough to turn it back on them.
It's like a basketball team with no one over 6 ft. tall watching everyone take rebounds away from them all day long, but still never drafting any tall players.
Yup, it was in 1865.
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