House passes debt-ceiling increase with no add-ons

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[Red in Blue PA]

This is a developing news story. An earlier version of the article follows:

House GOP leaders announced Tuesday they will advance this week an increase in the government's borrowing cap that's free of any add-ons. A vote is scheduled for Tuesday night because of the threat of a winter storm.

House Speaker John Boehner announced the plan after a poll of the Republican rank and file failed to show enough support for a plan to tie the hike in the debt limit to a plan to reverse a recently passed cut to military pensions.

The Ohio Republican said he expected virtually all of President Barack Obama's Democratic allies to vote for the so-called clean debt cap increase but that he would be one of the few Republicans to back it in the vote.

[Monty22002]

There’s a very interesting book from the early 80s by a defector, I’m sorry I can’t remember his name now. The entire thing was online though. But it was how the USSR was basically ruled by the triad of the Communist Party, the KGB, and the military. Each vied against each other for the most power. The military, he said, absolutely hated communism but the rest were committed to it.

He basically said that if ordered to attack the west by land, most of the army would desert right away. Really good lessons.

[dhs12345]

Sounds like a lot of the classic failures of government.

Please do shoot me the name if you remember it. Thanks. :)

[Monty22002]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov

I believe it’s him, and inside the Soviet Army is the book.

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/index.html

He did some others also.

[Tzimisce]

Please explain to me how giving the Democrats everything they want is a great victory for conservatives.

[Manic_Episode]

"There is no point in taking casualties at this time in a battle that can not be won The real battle is over Obama care and it is being won. That outcome will substantially reduce the casualties when the battle occurs on our ground The time to win is coming"

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Nonsense. This is a battle worth fighting for, here and now.

These talking points come from the same strategists who would've had us vote for a pro abortion candidate in order to stop abortion.

[bert]

Drivel

I am an observer and observed and then made an analysis fortified with a via military analogy

I do not make knee jerk reactions but provide rational findings of what I observe.

[Manic_Episode]

"I am an observer and observed and then made an analysis fortified with a via military analogy"

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Giving up and rolling over and helping the enemy is hardly a brilliant military strategy/analogy.

You are saying that the status quo staying in power is more important than fighting the battle to reign in debt when the debt is killing us and the status quo are the ones that got us here in the first place.

Screw them, they need to go.

Observe that.

[bert]

Drivel..... viewing life through a paper towel tube makes you miss a lot

[annalex]

how dumb you are

First, learn to behave.

So your answer is to put the Democrats back in power by destroying the only alternative the GOP

My plan is to have the GOP that is worth voting for.

[Manic_Episode]

They LITERALLY handed the most lawless president in U.S. history a BLANK CHECK and you think this is a good idea?

Have you been eating poppy seeds?????

[highball]

No disagreement here - they’re pathetic.

It’s just that the debt ceiling isn’t the place to make a stand. We’ve got to stop running up the credit card bills, not just ignore the statements when they come due.

[kabar]

It’s just that the debt ceiling isn’t the place to make a stand.

The debt ceiling is the only leverage the Reps have. There is always another excuse to avoid a confrontation with Obama. We got sequestration in 2011 with the debt ceiling. Reagan got Gramm-Rudman. Now we can't even get the military pension cut restored or the keystone pipeline.

So where and when do we make a stand?

We’ve got to stop running up the credit card bills, not just ignore the statements when they come due.

Again, the biggest drivers of our debt are SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and other so called mandatories. They don't go thru the budget process. They are on automatic pilot.

[dhs12345]

Excellent. Thank you!

[dhs12345]

Looks like the book is available for purchase, too.

ISBN 0-02-615500-1

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12025372900&searchurl=curl%3D%2Fisbn%2F0026155001%2Ffree-shipping%2Fpage-1%2F

Plus a few more books written by Suvorov

http://www.gettextbooks.com/search/?pg=2&isbn=Viktor+Suvorov

[highball]

Again, the biggest drivers of our debt are SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and other so called mandatories. They don't go thru the budget process. They are on automatic pilot.

So.

Let's.

Change.

That.

Playing games with the deft ceiling doesn't fix that either. It won't stop a single penny from being run up at the cash register, it'll only mean that we default on our credit card bills. Which will have a disastrous effect on our economy, not to mention waste millions of additional taxpayer dollars.

That's not fiscally responsible. That's not conservative. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I agree that we need to stop the spending. But the way we do that is... stop the spending. Not by making the United States a deadbeat.

[kabar]

Playing games with the deft ceiling doesn't fix that either. It won't stop a single penny from being run up at the cash register, it'll only mean that we default on our credit card bills. Which will have a disastrous effect on our economy, not to mention waste millions of additional taxpayer dollars.

"it'll only mean that we default on our credit card bills." is how Obama justifies eliminating the debt ceiling entirely and allowing the President to spend without resorting to a vote from Congress. So what are the "credit card bills?"

I agree that we need to stop the spending. But the way we do that is... stop the spending. Not by making the United States a deadbeat.

Stop spending means nothing unless you identify what and where the cuts will be made. And exactly how will the US be a deadbeat? There is no way we should default on our debt servicing payments. Revenue is far in excess of the $221 billion in annual debt servicing costs. Obama and some RINOs use the word "default," but that is clearly not accurate. Using the lexicon of Obama and the Dems is disturbing to conservatives. It is meant to deceive and fool the uninformed.

[Eleutheria5]

Away! Away! He bravely ran away!

[TomasUSMC]

In the U.S., jobs paying between $14 and $21 per hour made up about 60% those lost during the recession, but such mid-wage jobs have comprised only about 27% of jobs gained during the recovery through mid-2012. In contrast, lower-paying jobs constituted about 58% of the jobs regained.[10]

add to that the end of the QE and the huge odumbicare tax....oh man, 2014 is going to be cruel.

[TomasUSMC]

We control the House and thus the money. What we don’t have is the Courage to stick to our guns. If we did the President could not beat us....he could stall and shutdown the Government but then its up to the GOP to articulate successfully that he is the one deciding to close government and be fiscally immature.

[bert]

——and thus the money-——

Well no.

What we have learned in several recent attempts is that the House doesn’t really control the money. In theory the House must originate bills but if the Senates never takes them up, nothing happens.

It’s going to be interesting to see how the SCOTUS rules on the Obamacare tax case where the Senate gutted a House bill and then Frankenstein like morphed it into Obamacare. All that originated in the House was the bill number. The constitutional role of the House was completely usurped by Harry Reed.

If the ruling is for the Senate, there is no real use for the House. It is over and the only remedy is revolution

Revolutions are historically unkind to userpers