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Note: This article is NOT a discussion on the merits or weaknesses of either the evolutionary or creationist views. It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever.
1 posted on 02/07/2014 3:11:21 PM PST by fwdude
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I have a question - how old was Adam when he was created?

A follow up: how old did he look?


2 posted on 02/07/2014 3:15:22 PM PST by Frapster (Build the America you want in your home... and keep looking up.)
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Not having been there, I don’t know for sure.

Am I confident that science has really nailed it at about 14 billion years old? Not really.

A solid belief in this isn’t required for me to believe in God, Jesus and the sacrifice that was made for me and my fellow man. I figure in time I’ll get the answer I would like on it.

Until then, I don’t care what some folks say. I’m comfortable with them having a different opinion than my own.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 3:15:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever.

God did it they way He wanted to do it. What's the problem?

6 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:31 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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what the Bible says on the matter of origins becomes even more important.

Why is this so so so very important?

8 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:51 PM PST by DManA
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I will disagree. The view in this post makes one large assumption (in my view)...

Here are the opening verses in Genesis:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

[No amount of specific time can be calculated here]

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

I do not think you will get everyone to agree on the timeline in the article. If the Scriptures were absolutely clear, everyone who accepts the Scriptures would agree. They do not.

In the end, at least speaking for me, it doesn't matter whether the earth is 4,000 years old or 4 billion years old [insert your best estimate of time between verse 2 and verse 3]. It only matters that HE made it all by speaking.

Christians often speak of things as if they are ABSOLUTELY true. I've divided up my understanding of Scripture into opinions, beliefs and convictions. The category of Conviction includes only those things I am willing to die for. The exact age of the earth isn't anywhere close to this level.

9 posted on 02/07/2014 3:19:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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Few people doubt that the Bible intends to teach that the creation is young.

What nonsense. The vast majority of Christians don't believe that's what the Bible "intends" to teach

11 posted on 02/07/2014 3:20:26 PM PST by DManA
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The young earthers are resting on a foundation of folly.

One cannot calculate based on the age of Adam at death. His age in years was from the time of his expulsion from Eden, not from the date of his creation.

Adam was immortal with no need to count his years; nor would he likely understand what a year was.

Nor do evolutionists escape ridicule for their knee jerk jibes and attacks on the Bible. Adam could very well have been in the Garden for a billion years.

There is simply no way to know for certain.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 3:23:12 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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"Note: This article is NOT a discussion on the merits or weaknesses of either the evolutionary or creationist views. It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever."

Perhaps in your mind the Scriptures are clear on which view "it holds". The fact of the matter is that the term "day" is used at least four different ways in the OT. There are only approx. 3000 Hebrew words used in the entire OT and there are about 1.25 million English words available to translate to. Thus, we don't actually know what Moses intended (or God directed, we should say) when he penned the end of the "first day". Before we take on Ussher's 4Pm on Oct. 12 (or whatever) kooky timing, we ought to consider how disparate the possible answers might really be.

16 posted on 02/07/2014 3:24:36 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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You are making assumptions.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:19 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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Do you know how old Christ was when he died on the cross?

Is everything that has ever happened mentioned in the Bible with specific timelines associated to each event?

Could you use your average history book to accurately measure the time that has elapsed from chapter 1 through to the end?

The answer to all of the above is “No”, and to claim otherwise is ridiculous. To then further claim that the Bible wants us to know that the answer is “Yes” is ... just wow.

It’s extremely narrow minded, narcissistic, and verging on insanity, to believe this.

Now - if Earth was created with dinosaur bones already buried in the dirt, and the universe with our sun already in full-swing, then fine, though I can’t find anywhere in the Bible where it says these things.

You can take the Bible to mean things literally 100% of the time, but then you can’t interpret anything and must take it all at face value - which no right-thinking Christian is going to do. You can’t have it both ways.


20 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:48 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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It’s real simple. If you believe, then your Faith follows what the Bible says and you believe the Bible is 100% spot on. If one part of it you do not believe, then you are saying that God made a mistake. My God does not make mistakes. The Bible is 100% true because I believe in the death, burial and resurrection of my LORD Jesus Christ. I don’t worry about whether the earth is 6,000 days, six billion years, or whatever. God told me He created the earth. That was enough for me. He elected not to give us any greater details. One day in Heaven we will know all. I will worry about it then.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 3:26:18 PM PST by RetiredArmy (All that call upon His name shall be saved! HE is the ONLY way to heaven. Only HIM!!)
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The fact remains that the Creation occurred sometime around 6000 years ago or perhaps 7500 years ago or even just 5900 years ago. We have it pinpointed within 1500 years or so.

On the other hand, the Evolutionists admit that they could be billions of years off on their guess.


22 posted on 02/07/2014 3:28:47 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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It is not either / or. See:

Gerald Schroeder

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

26 posted on 02/07/2014 3:30:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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29 posted on 02/07/2014 3:35:11 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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Few people doubt that the Bible intends to teach that the creation is young.

I'd like to know if the author asked anyone outside his congregation before making this determination.

35 posted on 02/07/2014 3:39:48 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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“In the beginning ... “

Is that in the beginning for God or just mankind? Clearly not for God because God always was and always will be. It could mean in the beginning for mankind as we know it.

I don’t believe God found it important for us to know every little detail. Was the world as we know it God’s first creation? I am not sure about that. I believe he created angels before he created man. God doesn’t find it necessary for us to know the exact details of all his creations.

I don’t fully understand all the details of creation but it does nothing to shake my faith that Jesus came to save the world. He was crucified and resurrected.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 3:40:46 PM PST by boycott
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Funny how this the article following yours on Freerepublic.

Scientists Find 800,000-Year-Old Footprints In UK


42 posted on 02/07/2014 3:42:34 PM PST by BushCountry (Obama: The dentist told me I need a crown. I was like I KNOW, RIGHT?)
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I am sorry but there is not one single statement in the Bible regarding the age of the earth. Calculations on the age of the earth are based upson conjecture and assumptions. We do not know the mind of God so we do not know that He wants us to know that the earth is young.

A lot of evil has come about in this world due to people knowing that they truly understand and know the mind of God, thus allowing them to make interpretations as to what is really meant in the scriptures.

I am a Christian and have read the Bible several times. Please keep in mind that the Bible was never intended to be a scientific document


44 posted on 02/07/2014 3:44:45 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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Only those knuckle-dragging, embarrassing, fanatics in fly-over country believe in a young earth. Karl Sagan, Darwin, and Algore say the earth is billions and billions of years old. We who are enlightened, who grew up in the age of post-modernism, throw in our lot with the aforementioned luminaries.


53 posted on 02/07/2014 3:56:15 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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For a 6,000 year old Earth to be fact, the vast majority of scientists (believers and nonbelievers alike) engaged in the fields of geology, biology, archeology, chemistry, physics, cosmology, and thermodynamics would have to be participating in a massive global conspiracy to hide the truth about a Young Earth, with an airtight system to keep whistleblowers from revealing the conspiracy.

The accepted age of the Earth of 4.5 billion years according to science, and the Young Earth Creationist view of 6,000 years represents an order of magnitude difference of 750,000.

The question for the conspiracy theorists would be: Why 750,000? Why not fool mankind by a factor of 75,000, or 750, or 75?

55 posted on 02/07/2014 3:57:09 PM PST by GunRunner
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