Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
Her hair is too long to be Fuddy, and if she was that close to shore then all the accounts are wrong.
Who ever that is they are not 'that close to shore' they are somewhere between the photographer and the shore, and I'm going to have to leave it there until we somehow can find out who that is.
I quoted exactly the protocol Ornot followed. Please quote the protocol he did not. Remember, the protocol must apply to the rescue swimmer, not the medics in the helicopters.
I just showed you that the protocol applies to the swimmers. They are potential SAR EMS responders - as outlined in the duties/expectations for rescue swimmers stated in the rescue swimmers manual, and the protocol directly stated that all potential SAR EMS responders are to know the protocols.
What you posted is not protocol; it’s a statement of fact given the situation being discussed. The statement came within the context of discussing a bunch of people on a raft together and one of them has to be lifted first. Duh. Use your best judgment.
That chart goes on to say that you lift ALL the survivors on that raft. If there is any doubt as to whether there are other survivors still unaccounted for the raft should be left inflated. IOW, when you’ve got a group of survivors together, rescue them all in the order that makes the most sense, then go find other survivors in another location if there are any.
This obviously is not the same thing as you’re trying to make it out as saying - “if you find somebody who will die without immediate help, instead of spending 5 minutes to save their life, go on a fishing expedition to find who else there might be and whether they need a bandaid before coming back to rescue the one you’ve got right there.”
The best you’ve come up with is permission for a swimmer to use their best judgment to prioritize. Very pathetic if somebody’s “best judgment” says they skip the person who needs immediate CPR, in order to instead pick up somebody who is in a life jacket but tired, or holding onto somebody with a life jacket but having a cut on their head that reportedly ended up needing 3 stitches.
But Ornot did not say that protocols gave him the discretion to skip Fuddy. He said the protocols mean that he HAD to skip Fuddy. And that is just not true. The protocols make clear that Fuddy must be presumed to be able to be revived, and in the most supreme critical state. Nobody they would ever find would be in more critical need than Fuddy at that point, so there would be no other person who could possibly take priority over her.
I’ve said it before; it’s pointless to just keep repeating the same stuff. I’m not going to waste my time on it.
If you think this priority is great, then I hope your family won’t mind when you are shown that priority in your time of dire need. When you have a heart attack, I hope your family won’t mind that the emergency responders first check to see if somebody needs a bandaid before coming BACK to deal with you.
I can’t decide who that is, either. It’s a shame that we can’t see the mummy’s hairline. What we need is some good facial recognition software.
What would help, and I don’t know how to post photos, is for somebody to crop out each individual’s face that we can identify and put them all together, with their names underneath.
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I guess what I meant is a good representation of that person’s face, no matter the source, so we can try then to pick them out of the videos. All together in one of those nice collages, if you know what I mean. :)
Ms Randolph, according to Orly Taitz, is Johanna Ah Nee. So that’s her married name?
I also see the resemblance between MW#1 and Fuddy. There were supposed to be two tourists on the flight, too. Unnamed. The authorities said they’d leave it up to the passengers whether they wanted their names out there or not. I never knew or can’t remember if these tourists were supposed to be a mixed couple, two men, or two women.
“Episodes of acute emotional stress can have significant adverse effects on the heart. ...”
Sounds like they’re describing “broken heart syndrome”.
Myocardial ischemia would show up in the blood tests—heart enzymes. “Often only transient.” Exactly. Who hasn’t had a transient heart disturbance upon getting an emotional shock?
Her brother also says she was a calm individual. Her Catholic faith, and also her practice of Subud meditation, one would think, would help see her through what may or may not have been a traumatic and anxious situation for her.
Puentes didn’t act as if he were traumatized by the situation. He was taking selfies! Hollstein swam to shore because he got tired of waiting, he said; but he also said Fuddy appeared to be in no distress.
They all made it a point to note how calm and collected everyone was. I didn’t hear Fuddy exclaiming in fear on the video, or while in the water, either.
She probably had no problem floating, being as heavy as she was and having her life vest on. Probably wasn’t cold, either, for obvious reasons of insulation.
They won’t be doing any functional imaging on Fuddy. If they ever do release the full results of the autopsy, then maybe we’ll know what went into their determination of the cause.
Thanks for the advice, PraiseTheLord. I know how to do the height and width thing, but I didn’t know how it would look on FR. Didn’t realize Preview would show the picture, but then I never tried! If I mess it up completely, somebody will report me to the moderators and then they can delete it. I hope. Thanks again.
OK. Does anybody know if Jacob Key has that spiderweb tattoo on his left arm?
“I think that’s what you mean, it’s too far away to see who that might be, and in close-up it’s too distorted, and if you don’t know where the others were when that image was taken, how can we know who it might be? It’s an awfully white face if it’s a face. Honestly, there’s no way you can tell this is a woman, imo.”
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I see it as a woman with a white face if you assume she has dark flowing hair, brushed back from her face, and she’s looking at the camera and not the shore. Otherwise, it’s too distorted to tell.
Based on the process of elimination with the media and official reports, the tourists were a 70-ish-year-old man and a 74-year-old woman.
I’m pretty sure the 70ish-year-old man is Asian. Image 12 at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/some-images/
I looked at what I could see of the video on my son’s laptop yesterday, and though I couldn’t save it to show anybody, there was a point at which Holstein faced the camera directly; he’s the guy swimming by the wing between MW1 and Fuddy/Yamamoto. The guy blowing up the life jacket for MW1 seems to be Jacob Key, because there are lines on his arm around his left elbow, where the cabin images show him having a spiderweb tattoo.
So in that image we’ve got Fuddy and Yamamoto, Holstein, Rosa and Jacob, Puentes taking the photo. Kawasaki isn’t in that photo but was initially closer to the tail of the plane and was probably on the other side of the cushion in the image. The 70-ish guy isn’t showing on that image; he’s the only one unaccounted for in that image, but does show up later. But right there by Puentes is the woman who needed help getting her life jacket on. After much difficulty I was able to capture part of her head (image 17), and it’s clear that she’s not MW1 (who was being helped by Jacob anyway), Fuddy, or Rosa.
The gal Puentes helped (MW3) may be right behind Fuddy in image 14, or that may be MW2, who is seen close to shore behind Puentes when he took his selfie. I can’t tell if MW3 has long or short hair, but MW2 has shoulder-length hair and MW1 has short hair (based on watching her surface from under the water on the video). Of the 3 images, the one that looks oldest is MW1 so maybe she is the 74-year-old. Who knows?
What I do know is that we’ve got images of more women than were supposed to have been there, and one of them has dark, short hair and is built like Fuddy.
We have photographs of (1)Fuddy herself of course and the swimmer, I think his name was (2)Holister, and (4)Jacob and Rosa Keys, the (5)Pilot Kawasaki and Fuddy's assistant (6)Yamamoto...and the photographer Puentes, that's seven, and one unnamed woman hanging onto the wing makes it eight. But we never saw all of them in the water at the same time, and with one face missing, no collage is going to help you identify them all, the video isn't that clear, and the stills you see posted over and over again are from that film anyway. That is the crux of the problem, I think.
“So if Yamamoto has anything to regret, it’s because he didn’t keep hold of her for that hour. He said she was unresponsive, maybe he should have said, I think she died. He has left us with the impression he let an unconscious woman drift away with the tide and the wind, and I sincerely doubt that’s what happened.”
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When you put it that way, it sounds even more implausible. They repeatedly told us that the pilot tried to keep everyone together. There was even one story that said they were all in a circle, staying together.
Yamamoto was holding her hand, the priest says. She let go, the priest says. She was “unresponsive”. So Yamamoto didn’t cry out to her? He didn’t yell, “Loretta, Deliana! HELP!” He just let her drift away, a half mile out from everyone else?
He didn’t enlist anyone else to see what they might be able to do for her? He didn’t say, “OMG, I think Deliana died. Help!”?
Mind you that nobody else was panicking and Puentes was shooting video, even as late as when somebody was getting close to shore, so that had to be quite a while later.
Yamamoto told the priest that he saw her go unresponsive and let go of her. He didn’t try to grab her back and hang onto her, knowing that she couldn’t hang on for herself?
This is the first I’ve heard that she was a mile out when recovered. So did the Coast Guard intercept her body that far out, take her pulse, find there wasn’t a pulse, and then abandoned her body to the wind and tide and let her drift further out?
My impression of the rescue was that Fuddy was there close to the others. So she drifted away during the rescue of the others, or what? If she were dead for an hour, nobody checked on her that whole time? Nobody swam to HER instead of to shore?
The rescuer guy said she had no pulse. But the coroner says her pulse was out of rhythm, so could the rescuer be sure? He didn’t say she was obviously dead.
Well, I suppose it could be Fuddy but she’s going towards the shore and not drifting away another half mile out from shore. And somebody’s still snapping shots of Puentes unless he’s taking another selfie with his stick camera.
“Very pathetic if somebody’s “best judgment” says they skip the person who needs immediate CPR, in order to instead pick up somebody who is in a life jacket but tired, or holding onto somebody with a life jacket but having a cut on their head that reportedly ended up needing 3 stitches.”
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You said it for me. Thanks! The others had already floated for 80 minutes and survived. She was the one in most immediate need, imo, unless those other criteria were met, which the CG guy didn’t say was the case.
Thanks. That clears up a question I had as to the identity of that man in image 13. We don’t know have a name but at least know who he’s not. I wish I could see Yamamoto’s face more clearly.
The sunlight is shining from the right side of the photo, as seen by the shadows on Puentes’ face. Both Puentes and this woman are facing the camera. The right side of her face (on the left side of the photo) is covered in shadow but you can see the ridge of her nose and her left eye socket.
The yellow matches the yellow of the life jackets.
I’d love to see his whole video, be able to look at the images clearly. The colors and the way the contours of the face fit with the sunlight make me confident to say this is a woman.
It’s either him holding the camera on the extension while it’s pointed at himself, or he’s handed it to another person, either way makes no difference. The location they are in is difficult to judge, you will always see some evidence of the shore when the camera is pointed in that direction, they weren’t that far from the breakers. An overhead shot from any one of the aircraft might have helped, but they are all too distant to see anything more than little dots here and here, which suggests that by the time the rescuers arrived, the passengers had drifted well apart.
That's really the best I can do, I think 'the missing woman' is Fuddy, her hair is still dry and it looks like she's still wearing the same sunglasses, and she's very very pale.
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