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To: Fantasywriter

“Episodes of acute emotional stress can have significant adverse effects on the heart. ...”

Sounds like they’re describing “broken heart syndrome”.

Myocardial ischemia would show up in the blood tests—heart enzymes. “Often only transient.” Exactly. Who hasn’t had a transient heart disturbance upon getting an emotional shock?

Her brother also says she was a calm individual. Her Catholic faith, and also her practice of Subud meditation, one would think, would help see her through what may or may not have been a traumatic and anxious situation for her.

Puentes didn’t act as if he were traumatized by the situation. He was taking selfies! Hollstein swam to shore because he got tired of waiting, he said; but he also said Fuddy appeared to be in no distress.

They all made it a point to note how calm and collected everyone was. I didn’t hear Fuddy exclaiming in fear on the video, or while in the water, either.

She probably had no problem floating, being as heavy as she was and having her life vest on. Probably wasn’t cold, either, for obvious reasons of insulation.

They won’t be doing any functional imaging on Fuddy. If they ever do release the full results of the autopsy, then maybe we’ll know what went into their determination of the cause.


608 posted on 01/16/2014 12:21:35 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
...but he also said Fuddy appeared to be in no distress.

He said he was shocked to hear that she died. Better include a link to show what he said. The last time he saw her she may have been alive, depends how long he stuck around before he swam off. Time is of the essence imo. Iirc he saw her get out of the aircraft and assumed she was fine. We are getting close to having everyone on that aircraft complicit in a homicidal plot, I don't think that's possible, nor wise. That they may have all been intended victims is something else entirely...but how many times has a belly-landing in a Cessna in moderately choppy water caused multiple fatalities?

622 posted on 01/16/2014 2:26:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: Greenperson

If Fuddy didn’t die as determined, we can only hope evidence emerges to that effect. Otoh, it’s a mistake to imagine that Hollywood’s version of panic is the only one there is. I.e.: ppl hysterically screaming they don’t want to die. A quiet panic can be just as hard on the heart, and is probably far more common.

Take Flt 1549 which ditched in the Hudson. Based on the number of passengers screaming hysterically [0] everyone on it was “calm” as the plane neared the water. Except that interviews reveal otherwise. Most thought they were about to die. They truly believed they were living out their last few seconds of life on this planet.

Now I don’t care who you are, that level of stress puts a strain on the heart. How can we know Fuddy didn’t assume the worst? We don’t know what thoughts were going through her mind, or how tense she may have gotten seconds before the plane connected w the ocean.

From what I have read, death from this type of arrhythmia usually occurs w’in a half an hr of the “acute triggering event”, and almost always w’in one hr. The fact that she regained her calm after a safe landing wd not impact that scenario. The damage wd have been done in the moments leading up to the crash, and the only thing that wd have helped her subsequently wd be immediate medical care.

Does anyone, apart from God, know exactly how & why she died? Only if, as some have speculated, it was outright murder. Barring that it’s just not definite. I believe she cd have died of untreated arrhythmia. I.e.: it’s possible. It is not knowable, however, as a fact. But I wd not want to be an obese, sedentary 65 yo facing a forced water landing. If the attendant stress put my heart into fatal arrhythmia, it wd not be a statistical improbability.


623 posted on 01/16/2014 2:27:20 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Greenperson

“Myocardial ischemia would show up in the blood tests—heart enzymes. “Often only transient.” Exactly. Who hasn’t had a transient heart disturbance upon getting an emotional shock?’

They openly admit that diagnosis of death from this type of arrhythmia is a process of exclusion. I.e.: after eliminating other causes, they settle on this one as most likely under the circumstances. If they cd count on finding certain enzymes in the bloodstream, it wd be a more definite and positive conclusion. It is the absence of other indicators that leads to this diagnosis. As such it strikes me, a nonmedical person, as imprecise. A catch-all, perhaps. And again, we don’t know if this is the actual culprit. I only note that drs don’t claim this conclusion depends on the presence of enzymes. In fact, I never saw, in any of the numerous articles I read on the subject, the presence of certain enzymes cited as critical indicators of death from this type of arrhythmia.


625 posted on 01/16/2014 2:59:45 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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