Posted on 01/03/2014 10:54:01 AM PST by fwdude
Genesis 1:28 “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it…”
How long have people been living on the Earth? The evolutionist says two million years. The Bible-believing Christian says about six thousand. Who is right?
Statistically, a couple must have 2.1 children to keep a population at the same level. In practice, this means a minimum of three children per family. Let us suppose for a moment that the biblical account of the Genesis Flood in which just eight people survived is true. Let us further suppose that each family from this population point in history had 2.4 children on average. This very modest number will take into account all the deaths through infant mortality, plagues and war. How long would it take to reach today’s world population? Surprisingly, the answer is just less than five thousand years. This figure fits nicely into known historical records.
Now suppose we take the evolutionary view that mankind has been on this planet for two million years and we begin with two people – or eight, it will make little difference – and they also had the statistical 2.4 children per family. We will finish up with a number so impossibly large that the universe itself would not hold them! Aware of this problem, the textbooks explain it away by speaking of “population stability throughout this time.” This is nothing short of an appeal to a miracle! Frankly, the biblical account is far more believable.
Prayer: Jesus, it was through You that all things, including us, were made. When we withdrew our love from God and cut ourselves off from Him through sin, You came to our rescue. How can I ever thank You enough? Amen.
Notes: Cleone H. Weigand. “Morality Remains the Best Way to Stem Population Growth.” Milwaukee Journal, April 14, 1985.
I should have been more specific. I was referring to domesticated cats, felis catus, the things I saw mummies of in Egypt. They're only known to go back maybe 10,000 years, and there aren't any fossilized specimens.
Incidentally, not all definitions of fossil include the idea on mineral migration into bone.
Again, I could have been more specific. I was referring to fossilized animals themselves, not just their traces. It was in the context of explaining that fossilization and mummification aren't the same or even parallel processes--that a fossilized organism is not just another kind of mummy. You are quite right that fossils don't have to be an organism at all--but mummies do, and that was the context.
Ever hear of the cataclysm of Pompeii?
Scripture entire is conclusively in agreement that creation occurred as depicted in Genesis; even Jesus agrees with this interpretation. There is no "literalism" about it.
Yes. There are no fossilized human bodies there.
And where do you get the unexamined, indeterminable "fact" that farming didn't start until about 12,000 years ago? You can't "forget" something that is conjecture.
Because that is what the evidence shows. It could have started much earlier of course but there isn’t evidence to support that. How do we determine when farming really got started if we don’t use evidence? I guess we could arbitrarily choose a date but how would we verify that. It makes a difference. But even if we could determine that, yes, agriculture has been around for the whole of Human history do you think a steady growth rate of 2.4 percent is reasonable? The author just asserts these things without backing them up. He claims that the extra .4 percent is enough to account for losses due to disease and wars but he doesn’t offer any numbers to back that up, just asserts it. He is asking us to just take his word for it and that is not science. That is not reason. It is just subjective belief. He refers to the Bible as if that were evidence but he first has to accept that the Bible is a reliable source. You Christians can’t even agree what it actually says and means among yourselves so that is kind of irrational to ask others to accept it as evidence.
If Faith is a reliable path to truth then why even try to use mathematics and models to prove how long people have lived on Earth? Just say you have faith and leave it at that. The author is trying to use reason to prove something but he is ignoring pertinent data in order to reach a predetermined result. That’s not reason. That’s not science.
What evidence?
I see.
“One of the little publicized results of Dolly the cloned sheep experiment was that the cloned embryo inherited the biological clock of the donor DNA, which means any tissue or organs generated by the cloning process will not extend the life of the host since they are of the same age. Dolly died of old age, the age of her donor DNA host.”
Pretty sure that’s not true. Do you have a link to the study where that was demonstrated?
I am pretty sure it is. It is discussed on Wikipedia, but I am sure if you Googled around you will find similar discussions. That is why you don’t hear much about Dolly or the glories of cloning any more.
Bottom line is that anything cloned from a host will be the same age. So forget about extending your life with spare body parts.
I actually did google and didn’t find anything that confirms your assertion with the exception of people like you speculating about it.
Wikipedia even says
“There were early claims that Dolly the Sheep had pathologies resembling accelerated aging. Scientists speculated that Dolly’s death in 2003 was related to the shortening of telomeres, DNA-protein complexes that protect the end of linear chromosomes. However, other researchers, including Ian Wilmut who led the team that successfully cloned Dolly, argue that Dolly’s early death due to respiratory infection was unrelated to deficiencies with the cloning process.”
If you’re referring to the various “dating” methods, please spare me the details. They have been proven accurate, plus or minus 100,000 year.
what’s interesting about the population graph to me is in 500 B.C. the population of the world was about 50 million or less. And at that time, Cyrus the Great’s empire had about 30 million, so 60% of the world’s population. wow!
I’m glad you have found rest in your conclusion.
What does “people like you” mean?
“I’m glad you have found rest in your conclusion.”
I have no conclusion, nor answer from you. I surmise that your statement “little publicized results of Dolly the cloned sheep experiment was that the cloned embryo inherited the biological clock of the donor DNA”, is not based on evidence as you provide none, nor can I find it.
“What does “people like you” mean?”
People drawing non scientific conclusions on a topic they know little about.
Why do you have to have all your homework done for you? I posted the concept of the biological clock that prevents any proposed benefits from cloning, and there is ample evidence that Dolly died of old age before her time. If you can’t find it, does it mean it does not exist?
What if I am arguing with a blind squirrel, is that my fault?
“If you can’t find it, does it mean it does not exist?”
If the ‘ample evidence’ doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist.
Do you expect to make an extraordinary claim about a scientific result without evidence to back up the claim?
I am not going to do your homework for you. Sorry.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3393-dolly-the-sheep-dies-young.html#.UtIhqHTTntQ
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2764039.stm
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/feb/15/genetics.animalrights
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_dolly_the_cloned_ewe_die_young
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2392154
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC305328/#B8
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9631006
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4754905
It takes about 5 minutes to find these type of articles, just Google “premature aging cloned animals mitotic clocks”
I am not making this up, and it is not my “extraordinary claim”. It is known.
By the way, who wants to live forever in this body, in this world? There is so much more in store for those who love Him. Unless a grain of wheat fall to the ground and die...
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