Posted on 01/02/2014 6:41:50 PM PST by markomalley
Here's a question that I've asked in the past that needs to be revisited. Unless one wishes to obfuscate, it has a simple yes or no answer. If one group of people prefers strong government control and management of people's lives while another group prefers liberty and desires to be left alone, should they be required to enter into conflict with one another and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences on the other group? Yes or no. My answer is no; they should be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways.
The problem our nation faces is very much like a marriage in which one partner has an established pattern of ignoring and breaking the marital vows. Moreover, the offending partner has no intention to mend his ways. Of course, the marriage can remain intact while one party tries to impose his will on the other and engages in the deviousness of one-upsmanship and retaliation. Rather than domination or submission by one party, or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.
I believe our nation is at a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage where vows are broken, our rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. These constitutional violations have increased independent of whether there's been a Democrat-controlled Washington or a Republican-controlled Washington.
There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways. You say, "Williams, what do you mean by constitutional abrogation?" Let's look at the magnitude of the violations.
Article I, Section 8 of our Constitution lists the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. Nowhere on that list is there authority for Congress to tax and spend for: Medicare, Social Security, public education, farm subsidies, bank and business bailouts, food stamps and thousands of other activities that account for roughly two-thirds of the federal budget. Neither is there authority for congressional mandates to citizens about what type of health insurance they must purchase, how states and people may use their land, the speed at which they can drive, whether a library has wheelchair ramps, and the gallons of water used per toilet flush. The list of congressional violations of both the letter and spirit of the Constitution is virtually without end. Our derelict Supreme Court has given Congress sanction to do just about anything for which they can muster a majority vote.
James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained in Federalist Paper No. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State." Our founder's constitutional vision of limited federal government has been consigned to the dustbin of history.
Americans have several options. We can like sheep submit to those who have contempt for liberty and our Constitution. We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed and death in an attempt to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and Constitution. A superior alternative is to find a way to peaceably separate into states whose citizens respect liberty and the Constitution. My personal preference is a restoration of the constitutional values of limited government that made us a great nation.
When it comes to that they will have no bargaining power. Nothing they say, short of threatening force, will matter. This wouldn’t be a negotiations, this would be a unilateral severing of ties. They could build walls around their blue enclaves and extort money out of anyone wanting to leave, but they couldn’t tell Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas to give them anything.
They won't leave you alone even then Walter. Communists are globalists. There is no escaping dealing with them.
The best way to begin is with transforming education in those States conservatives do control.
I think Iraq and Afghanistan are good examples, however, I do think the gloves would come off on us. We could defeat every Jihadi in the world in about 20 minutes if we took the gloves off. Our postmodernist leadership lacks a moral imperative when it comes to other cultures. They have no such vacillations when it comes to God fearing knuckle draggers in flyover country. They’ll just call in the Trayvons. “Those crazy crackers are taking away your food stamps.”
The Long March through the Institutions.
“....suddenly turn bad@** when a few red states decide to” take away their paychecks?
Who wouldn't prefer this peaceful solution. But I'm afraid this is not possible in a nation now overrun with a critical mass of parasites; unmoved, unteachable, implacable, and evil.
This will be a bloody resolution. there is no other way.
Pajama Boy won’t do the fighting. They’ll use the Somalis, Mexicans, Syrians, etc they’re importing. They’ll use everyone on food stamps who’ll starve if the producers leave. They’ll lose.
4 Americans offed in Benghazi, A whole bunch of SEALs offed in the Stan. God knows how many Mexicans via Fast and Furious, Drone strikes wherever he chooses killing anything that moves on command.
Benghazi was an act of brazen cowardice by the regime. Those men died because no one in the regime had the stones to let our warriors do what warriors do.
Same with Fast and Furious. All they did was step back and allow those guns to travel to Mexico, and the cartels did the dirty work for them.
Drone strikes are also a cowardly, clinical method of killing. They'd also have little real impact in an all-out war where the number of combatants is in the millions.
None of the examples you mentioned disproves what I postulated in my previous post. The current crop of leftists in power simply doesn't possess the personal or political will to execute a full scale war against any foe - especially one against their own people - and on their own soil.
These people are bullies who shrink in front of those who won't back down in a real fight.
Observe their reactions to the bloodthirsty Islamic jihad. Look at how they coddle various murderous despots and regimes around the world. Note how they almost appear to worship imprisoned killers in our own prisons.
How about their reaction to the invasive, colonizing hordes from south of the border? Those people have destroyed whole sectors of our economy and the well being of tens of millions of Americans, yet the left molly coddles them as though they're political refugees in need of succor and compassion.
Let's not even talk about how they react to the pathological behavior of Obama's 'sons'.
No, they only exhibit 'bravery' when it comes to safe targets. Like a population of well behaved, law abiding patriots who have the self restraint and moral grounding to keep from exploding in all-out rebellion against them.
Normie, they're cowards of the worst sort. Do not fear them. If worse ever comes to worst in this country, they'll back right down in the face of millions of angry citizens who truly mean business.
No, they'll stop being slothful and degenerate when they no longer have access to the fruits of our labor. Only real secession will accomplish that.
All I ask is the same as I asked in my divorce. Take it all... all you want... everything we did together is yours. 100%. Just let me escape from this place and live with people who respect me and treat me with human dignity, and I'm perfectly happy to start over with next to nothing. I will build it into a happy place because there's nobody to tear me down. I wish you well. Goodbye!
Obama is setting things up for the AC.
I agree with what you are saying here but here’s the thing.
You will never get principled leaders to step up and hang their posterior out there when the people they would lead can’t be trusted.
Would you personally put your life, and the life of your family in the hands of people who will turn tail and run at the first sign of trouble? Probably not. That said...
When out of all the bluff and bluster we see on conservative forums, a significant chunk of that hyperpatriotic base will spend literal MONTHS arguing that we must compromise the very beliefs we claim because of fear the other guy is worse, can you honestly expect a leader to look at this ‘base’, what it’s made of when the rubber hits the road over mere elections (nameless, faceless casting of ballots) and say “When my ass is on the line and the force of liberalism unites against me, I can trust these people to have my back?”
Seriously think about this folks. When so many here and elsewhere screamed (and still to this day scream) that we have to vote lesser evil in an attempt to have the alligator chomp us last, what principled leader do you see rising to lead us?
People can rail me all they want but it is what it is and deep down, each and every one of you know it. If you want a leader to rise and lead, it helps to be worthy of leading.
You’re exactly right. The losers in Cincinnati aren’t going to starve when what they want lies just a few miles away in Kentucky.
I don't think so, more likely they would form alliances with their ideological brothers in China, Russia, north Koria and Iran.
After the first border dispute and their defeat at the battle field that will be known as Pajama Boys Ruin, they will not hesitate to import an army and wage open war.
They might try to, but those guys wouldn't have a stake in a fight to pull the left's bacon from the fire. A mercenary force would have no heart for it, and probably wouldn't even show up if they paid them.
There's no good way out of this for the left. The best they can hope for, is if we go back to sleep. How's that going to happen while the worst of the hard core left is still in charge of their party? Those people will never let go of the power, and they'll never change their modus operandi, so the plot of this movie is pretty much pre-determined. Things WILL eventually come to some sort of showdown, and they WILL lose the final battle for supremacy.
I'm not the only one who feels it's time to divide the country...
They might, but when has such a force won any war? They'd have to be motivated by some mighty tall promises to risk their lives against tens of millions of highly motivated (and well armed) native inhabitants.
It’s not a case of fear. I do not fear anyone. ESPECIALLY the pajamaboys. I think what we got here is a failure to communicate Windy ;)
What I am saying is that there is a leadership that pulled the literal trigger on all the scenarios I listed that don’t fear us either. They will send out the militant earth dirsters and ALF terrorists, they will send out their anarchists, the Black panthers, mobilize the knockout kings, wind’em up and watch’em go. With the military set against itself and out of effective action and a significant part of a militarized police force ready to shoot anything that does not respect their authorit-a-y, you have chaos, terror and all the shock troops the left needs to do massive damage to everything. And everyone. Then you have all the foreign UN troops that train regularly for the specific scenario right here on our shores.
I’m sorry windy, and you know I respect you greatly. But you would have to be blind to not see how literal this scenario could get in a heartbeat.
Sure we will ultimately win. But the toll will be hellacious and all the pajamaboys will be doing what they always do. Getting in the way and being the useful idiots they have always been. They are cannon foder as they have been for millenia and will be used as such. But used they will be.
The reason they don’t work now is because they believe someone owes them. That’s not going to change. I think they’ll fight, and lose.
You're misreading these people. They only exhibit 'bravery' when facing safe targets. Like well behaved, law abiding citizens, who are moral and civilized. They exhibit no such 'bravery' in the face of people who will kill them without flinching. In fact, they back down to them in innumerable ways.
If they do anything to break the social compact with us, or destroy the thin veneer of civility that exists between us, they'll suddenly be facing a more determined and violent foe than they can imagine.
The brighter among them know this. It's why they've so diligently attempted to slowly disarm us. As long as the people have the capability to return fire, they'll never do a bloody thing.
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