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John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause'
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 12/15/2013 | Guardian Staff

Posted on 12/15/2013 3:01:27 PM PST by mac_truck

Senator John McCain on Sunday told thousands of Ukrainian protesters camped on Kiev's main square that Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe and that it would make Europe better.

"Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better," he said to crowds protesting against President Viktor Yanukovich's U-turn in trade policy away from Europe towards Russia.

"We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe," said McCain, a leading Republican voice on US foreign policy.

McCain is in Ukraine with a Connecticut Democrat, Senator Chris Murphy.

Speaking to CNN on Sunday, McCain said: “What we're trying to do is try to bring about a peaceful transition here, that would stop the violence and give the Ukrainian people what they unfortunately have not had, with different revolutions that have taken place – a real society. This is a grassroots revolution here – it's been peaceful except when the government tried to crack down on them, and the government hasn't tried that since.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: gasputin; mccain; rino; russia; senatorjohnmccain; ukraine; we; whatsthiswecrap
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To: mac_truck

McCain is a disgusting human being.


101 posted on 12/16/2013 7:02:03 AM PST by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: FredZarguna

>>>Your post ignores the fact that millions of the Russians who are there DON’T belong there to begin with, and millions more Ukrainians who should be there are dead because of the Russians who are.<<<

One in about eight people living in Russia has a Ukrainian surname.
Rethink your post from that perspective.

Face it, Ukraine is a nation-state for a very brief period of time to have any viable national identity.


102 posted on 12/16/2013 7:13:17 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: mac_truck

So McCain sides with the ‘Occupy Ukraine’ crowd.

Figures.

The Ukrainian government is right to stay out of the EU disaster. All money is being funneled into the failing PIGS governments. And there is a significant loss of self-rule upon joining the EU


103 posted on 12/16/2013 7:38:46 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
Dear kidd,

Thank you for your encouraging words, and your support. Please continue to help spread the word that the Ukraine protestors are paid, reactionary bourgeois who do not appreciate the value of rejoining the Russian Empire. As you know, I only have Ukraine's best interests at heart.

Sincerely,
Col. Vladimir Putin

President of Russia

104 posted on 12/16/2013 9:54:27 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: mac_truck
What one thinks about Sen. McCain's policy preferences in general and what one believes to be the better direction for Ukraine are two separate matters.

Although I am not a big supporter of Europe--just about all European countries tend to be congenial to democratic socialism--I do believe that the European model (as flawed as it is) is superior to the Russian model (which is steeped in authoritarianism).

105 posted on 12/16/2013 9:59:25 AM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: 1rudeboy

WTF?

Are you suggesting that the Ukraine SHOULD join the EU???


106 posted on 12/16/2013 10:07:09 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
Are you even marginally aware of what is going on in Ukraine right now?

Membership in the EU is far more preferable than membership in some runt form of the Soviet Union.

107 posted on 12/16/2013 10:09:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

imagine if Mexico wanted to take parts of the USA and two Russian officials came to CA to protest with the La Raza, now imagine these two Russian officials now saying that if any violence by the police will give the USA sanctions.
MCain is such a frigging joke


108 posted on 12/16/2013 10:10:36 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
imagine if Mexico Russia wanted to take parts of the USA (the nation of) Georgia and two Russian German officials came...to protest with the La Raza Bolsheviks, now imagine these two Russian German officials now saying that if any violence by the police will give the USA Georgia sanctions.
109 posted on 12/16/2013 10:20:03 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I am not aware that refusal to join the EU means automatic membership in the ex-Soviet bloc.

Are you suggesting that if the Ukraine doesn’t join the EU that their only option is to for another Soviet Union?

There IS the option to remain independent.


110 posted on 12/16/2013 10:22:24 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
Just a word of friendly advice: before you call some protestors "the ‘Occupy Ukraine’ crowd," it would be better to learn what they are protesting about first.
111 posted on 12/16/2013 10:24:44 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Please don’t vote. Ever. Please.

Never vote for a McCain again, that is a promise.

Is that you John? Just lurking I guess.

112 posted on 12/16/2013 10:30:21 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: hadaclueonce
Promise me this: if I tell you I really am John McCain, and that I want Ukraine to become a satellite state of the Russian Federation, will you oppose the idea?
113 posted on 12/16/2013 10:33:44 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: mac_truck
Ever wonder how states like Florida whose legislatures are overwhelmingly Republican still vote for bad dem candidates for president, or how you get a dem senator in a place like Louisiana? What you're seeing is that manufacturing votes cannot buy a state house. In other words, dems can manufacture all the votes they want in places like Dade County or Philly, and the GOP will still win its own territories, it's only in a national or atatewide race that vote manufacturing can decide a race for a public office.

That says that the very first thing we need to do is rescind the 17'th amendment and return the election of US senators to the state houses. That would also resolve the John McCain problem.

114 posted on 12/16/2013 10:33:48 AM PST by varmintman
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To: cunning_fish
Nonsense.

This is like claiming there is no Kurdish national identity simply because the Turks, Persians, and Hashimites have been oppressing the Kurds for centuries, or that there is no such place as Tibet because a more powerful country claims it.

115 posted on 12/16/2013 10:49:33 AM PST by FredZarguna (Wink wink. Nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?)
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To: cunning_fish
Ще не вмерла Українa
116 posted on 12/16/2013 10:50:52 AM PST by FredZarguna (Wink wink. Nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?)
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To: mac_truck

Rose-colored contac lenses.


117 posted on 12/16/2013 11:19:56 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: manc

McCain is so OFF, that it causes me concern for his own safety.

Going off to the Middle-East to meet with terrorists..., the guy is a danger to himself, let alone the nation.


118 posted on 12/16/2013 11:40:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Reagan 1980: Shining city on a hill / RNC 2013: Dim flickering candle in a dark deserted dungeon.)
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To: kidd

Concurring bump.

The dirty secret inside the Occupy Ukraine camp is most of them want to LEAVE the country as soon as possible, either for better wages elsewhere in Europe or to engage in ‘benefits tourism’. They need EU status to make that possible.

Just recently, the British parliament began debating setting limits on the number of foreign EU “workers” they’ll accept, primarily as the result of an overload of other recent Eastern European EU members from Romania and Bulgaria.


119 posted on 12/16/2013 11:55:18 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: 1rudeboy

we are talking about us and today not yesteryear and Bolsheviks.

It is more to the tune of Russians coming here to protest, you would be outraged and rightly so


120 posted on 12/16/2013 11:56:39 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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