Health director who approved Obama birth certificate dies in plane crash

NBC News ^ | 12-12-13 | Henry Austin and Christopher Nelson

[21twelve]

“There’s a lady in our church who bakes and sells kolaches, which is something I bake that people really like. But I don’t want to take away from what she’s able to sell.”

Don’t sell kolaches then. (Had to search that - looks yummy!) Go for the pies and cakes. And people pay all the time to be “happy”. So you can make them happy and they would probably be happy to help you out.

But I would imagine it would need to be on a “friendly” basis to avoid all of the regulations and costs for a commerical venture.

And with regard to the book, write it for you own sake, and your family’s sake. And then maybe pass it around at church or others and see what they think. One never knows.

[Silentgypsy]

Go Fund Me is far more expensive than Paypal though. They take a lot more out of each donation than Paypal. A LOT more.

That's why people are so stubborn about sending checks.

[Kenny Bunk]

At some point something's gotta give.

Nothing has to give. More than likely, this will be resolved long after The Mombasa MF is out of office. Look how long it took to prove that Chester Arthur was unqualified.

I also have the sneaking suspicion that all of the various Obamanoid problems are nothing but a distraction while Team Obama goes about its business of social (ist) revolution. Obama's "job" is to do nothing because he is clearly too dumb to do anything but keep us distracted while his handlers run out the back door with the good stuff.

Besides, we ain't running against him in 2016. Our focus should now be on repair ... not punishment. Sadly, he may evade that altogether.

[Kenny Bunk]

In re Hersman:

In 1999, ......Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,

This is a woman with no shred of scientific credential. There is a major controversy right now concerning the use of ethanol in aviation gasolines ... where clearly it would be a major hazard in older engines like the one used in the Caravan.

The ethanol fuel policy is a ridiculous "Green Dream" idea that is economically, scientifically, and even ethically unsound.

[butterdezillion]

Thanks for sparking my curiosity. Further investigation has been very, very interesting... I’ll probably post about it later.

Unless something comes up to change my mind, what I’ve found leads me to believe something very fishy is going on.

[ecinkc]

Unsolicited ping to a likely unrelated story.

Autopsy ordered for scuba diver

An autopsy was ordered for a Californian scuba diver who died on Thurs evening, 12/12 off the coast of Kona (west side of the large island, not the same island where Fuddy's plane went down). He was 55 and may have simply been a vacationer who wasn't physically fit or who had a freak accident, etc. I dare not post his name in this thread given how likely it is that there's no connection at all.

I'm on my lunch and can't take the time to look up more details, so I can only assume there's no connection, but if I were investigating all things related to the Fuddy death, I might have a cursory, preliminary interest in a scuba diver from out of state who became unresponsive and died of then unknown causes somewhere in the region a day later. Probably just a single quick google search will provide enough details to show this is an obviously unrelated incident.

[Flotsam_Jetsome, I couldn't resist pinging you because your interest in the birth certificate and because the meaning of your username intersect so nicely with trying to figure out the mystery of Fuddy in "the drink." :-) ]

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"Nothing has to give. More than likely, this will be resolved long after The Mombasa MF is out of office. Look how long it took to prove that Chester Arthur was unqualified."

Noted. However, I don't have any recollection of reading anything about the Aurthur administration going going full-bore Cloward-Piven strategy to "fundamentally transform" the nation.

The next year is going to be highly interesting, as in the Chinese curse variety.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

Domo for the Ping. I suppose Fuddy could be considered as jetsam, if she was jettisoned to lighten the load for SS Barry! ;)

[Kenny Bunk]

I don't have any recollection of reading anything about the Aurthur administration going going full-bore Cloward-Piven strategy to "fundamentally transform" the nation.

Point very well taken. Chet, as former Collector of the Port of New York, was all about the swag, and making sure he got his cut.

BTW, in those halcyon days of the Republic, the government was quite small and easily funded from import duties, port fees, and various user fees and other tariffs.

[hoosiermama]

If its not reported as an accident maybe it wasn’t an accident. The penalty for filing a false report is pretty steep. Just saying....

[Fred Nerks]

To: All
Here are television news interviews with eyewitnesses and the crash survivor who swam to shore. Sorry about the ads!

http://youtu.be/rIkhcC4dsx8

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLVBRqosFLY

24 posted on Wednesday, 18 December 2013 4:38:48 AM by Nero Germanicus

[Brown Deer]

“When I spoke to Brigette in Medical Records out at the hospital in Hi earlier today, she literally told me at 1st that the only one who is authorized to receive the autopsy report is Loretta Fuddy herself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

http://networkedblogs.com/S7xZl

[butterdezillion]

Apparently the autopsy found out that she wasn’t dead...

I thought autopsies were public information.

[LucyT]

!

“When I spoke to Brigette in Medical Records out at the hospital in Hi earlier today, she literally told me at 1st that the only one who is authorized to receive the autopsy report is Loretta Fuddy herself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

http://networkedblogs.com/S7xZl

[null and void]

You can’t go into that room without a permit.

Where can I get a permit?

They’re only available in that room.

[Fred Nerks]

Don’t know much about autopsies, but I imagine that it’s up to the next of kin to decide whether it will be released to the public or not. Will there be a coroner involved and won’t the result go to the coroner first?
(Learn something new every day on FR.)

[butterdezillion]

I just know a little bit from when I was checking out Breitbart and Cormier’s deaths, so that involved CA’s laws regarding autopsies. The county coroner is required to do autopsies of all deaths without an obvious cause or where a crime is suspected. If the county is required to do the autopsy I believe the autopsy is a public record. If it is an autopsy at the request of family, that is done privately and is not a public record.

If the laws are at all similar in Hawaii it would give another reason to have a plane crash, and to falsely report that the intended victim had been found in the fuselage: if it was clearly a drowning then the county coroner wouldn’t be required to do an autopsy and the results would thus be private. If she died of unexplained causes AFTER the crash it could compel a coroner to do a public autopsy.

Every staged event is built to have plausible deniability, and this one is no exception. It could have just been that she’s deathly afraid of water and had a heart attack, and all the reporting discrepancies were just SNAFU’s. Or it could be something else.

We know that she died AFTER the crash. My question would be whether the autopsy was compelled by law and thus is a public record, or whether the autopsy was at the request of the family and is thus a private record. It sounds like the medical people are claiming it was a private autopsy, but if that was so then the NTSB would have no business even getting the autopsy report. So as with all the other reporting, this leaves questions rather than answers.

[butterdezillion]

Gotta run so this will be quick.

The confusion over where Fuddy was found would allow a private autopsy to be started before anybody in the public knew that she did NOT die from drowning.

Somebody should look to see when we first found out about Yamamoto holding her hand in the water as she was floating safely with her life jacket. Was that before, or after, the autopsy was started?

[Fred Nerks]

So if there's to be an investigation into the crash, considering there was a fatality, as you wrote If she died of unexplained causes AFTER the crash it could compel a coroner to do a public autopsy just when would the public hear of it? At the enquiry into the the accident and not before?

Why is everything to do with Hawaii so darn contradictory? Is that State the 50th of the United States or some principality with laws and culture/ culture all of its own?

And what about her insurance company? Are they just going to pay up for her accidental death without the coroners report? There would be more than one entity interested in the cause of death, surely.

[Fred Nerks]

I'm under the impression the confusion about where she was when she died arose as the result of the comment (seen on video) by a fire department personnel (part of the rescue team) who gave the impression she didn't exit the fuselage...he said sometimes we don't get them all out which is classic fireman terminology.

There were two seperate rescue teams. If the fire department team was second on the scene, she might already have been lifted from the water and was no longer to be seen.