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Concern Mounts in China's Air-Defense Zone
Wall Street Journal ^ | Novemer 28, 2013 | JEREMY PAGE, JEYUP S. KWAAK and YUMI OTAGAKI

Posted on 11/29/2013 11:20:05 AM PST by lbryce

China responded on Thursday to growing international defiance of its new air-defense zone in the East China Sea both by sending advanced fighter jets to the area and trying to play down any threat of military retaliation—underlining the confusion and escalated tension over the territorial dispute.

The announcement by China's air force that it had sent fighters and an early-warning aircraft to patrol the zone came just a few hours after Japan and South Korea, following the U.S.'s lead, said their military aircraft had flown into the zone without notifying Beijing over the past few days, and would continue to do so.

The U.S. challenged the zone's credibility on Tuesday by sending in two B-52 bombers without informing Chinese authorities, who had warned when they declared the zone on Saturday that such incursions would be met with unspecified "defensive emergency measures."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; navalpower; us
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China's apparent easing of its original warning suggests its fighters will monitor and escort rather than repel U.S., Japanese and South Korean aircraft that violate the rules of the zone .

China looking to underscore its expanded naval capability,challenge the West in proclaiming itself the region's de-facto super power, seems to have it relegated itself to status of "not ready for prime-time naval hegemonist".

The U.S. challenged the zone's credibility
Doing what it does best, the Obama administration challenging credibility at every opportunity.

1 posted on 11/29/2013 11:20:05 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

China is pushing to see just how far it can get, for nothing.

It’s about to find out, not much further. (I hope. With this administration you never know if they will negotiate away Japan and other nations in the extended region and claim victory.)


2 posted on 11/29/2013 11:30:41 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: lbryce

>>China responded on Thursday to growing international defiance of its new air-defense zone in the East China Sea <<

When I took a journalism course in HIGH SCHOOL, the first thing they taught us was never assume your audience has any knowledge of the subject.

I have heard a few things but no specifics on the air defense zone and without a lot more specifics I can’t put any context around the article.


3 posted on 11/29/2013 11:31:00 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: lbryce

By calling it “China’s air defense zone” you’ve already ceded at least some of the diplomatic ground that China wanted.


4 posted on 11/29/2013 11:33:17 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I agree.

Completely.


5 posted on 11/29/2013 11:34:07 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: DoughtyOne

Since other countries have interjected themselves on the side of Japan, apparently even the Philippines and Vietnam have done so, this should be enough to tell China to back off.

If this had stayed between the Chinese and Japan, it could have gotten really bad


6 posted on 11/29/2013 11:34:27 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: freedumb2003

Exactly, the author should have mentioned right near the start that this was a zone declared unilaterally by the Chinese over Japanese islands that China claims.

As far as I can tell the islands have always been Japanese.

(likewise the Dokdo islands have always been Korean and Japan wrongly claims them)


7 posted on 11/29/2013 11:36:32 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I hope you’re right. I’m not convinced China gives a fig what other nation’s think. I doubt the Philippines and Vietnam are on it’s next Five Year Plan card list.

Only heavy push back will blunt it’s intentions, and I’m fairly certain only then for a while as it builds it’s military assets and capabilities.

IMO, it is focused on dismantling the U. S. military presence world-wide.

I believe it has it’s fingers in things we haven’t been told of, and our leadership probably knows it full well.


8 posted on 11/29/2013 11:40:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I am in increasing agreement with you.

China is opposed to America.

And American “capitalists” are helping China.

This is a big, big problem.


9 posted on 11/29/2013 11:44:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: DoughtyOne

True, it is focused on Japan because it is the strongest adversary. The Philippines might as well not have a military but they know China is the bully. The bully is picking the big boy because it hopes all the others will be intimidated too. This is probably happening because the US is so weak right now.

If Japan can get Putin to take their side, then this definitely becomes more than China can chew.


10 posted on 11/29/2013 11:47:54 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: DoughtyOne

China is destroying it’s people and land. They are left to try and aquire other land in order to get what they need to survive.

Some day there will be a war with China as I see it unless the people from inside reform it. We need some reform as well.


11 posted on 11/29/2013 11:48:27 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

You’re correct. Why would the title ever say China’s “air defense zone”. What’s Obama going to do? Compromise and say they can only steal half of the territory they’re claiming as their own?


12 posted on 11/29/2013 11:52:08 AM PST by grania
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To: lbryce
not ready for prime-time naval hegemonist I'm not trustful of the Big Navy mentality any longer. Technology is advanced at a pretty good clip to be building 5B $US 'use it then lose it' ships. Surface fleets are just a presence now. It's clear that China didn't anticipate such a quick and authoritative in your face response. They might be a little jittery as things are advancing quickly. I think they were just prepping for WW III brewing over Iran and the middle east. Japan needs to follow up with air defense emplacements on the Islands. Perhaps a small Coast Guard facility with Helicopter pad.
13 posted on 11/29/2013 11:59:17 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: lbryce

Confucius say man who yell at hornets get stung


14 posted on 11/29/2013 12:05:02 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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China is opposed to America. And American “capitalists” are helping China. This is a big, big problem."

Well you are one person who is not in tune with the Neocon drumbeat that Iran is our most dangerous enemy and our trading with China makes them our friend. That's what trade does, right? Wonder why we use sanctions?

Wake up America, China and Russia are our most serious enemies.

15 posted on 11/29/2013 12:27:35 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: lbryce

Zero having Secretary Mr. Ed disavow our own Monroe doctrine makes more sense now. Not that I agree, and prolly just coincidence.


16 posted on 11/29/2013 12:47:27 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: lbryce

a timely Chinese military conflict will certainly serve as a distraction


17 posted on 11/29/2013 12:50:15 PM PST by drypowder
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To: ex-snook

I think China is reaching a point where conservatives need to take a careful look at what it is exactly, they are helping to create.

China has for a very long time, been a good partner. But now China exports the most in the world.

America is now number 2.

China does not allow Americans to immigrate or own companies. Or even to own a majority of Chinese businesses.

China does not hold elections.

China pretty much, just takes stuff over.

American conservatives, you really have to ask your self after some point, what exactly you are helping to create in China.

Remember China has five times America’s population.

We need jobs right here in America.

Bring home American jobs.


18 posted on 11/29/2013 1:10:27 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Amazing that you blame it all on conservatives


19 posted on 11/29/2013 1:11:36 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Paine in the Neck
It's an Air Defense Identification Zone. It is not a claim of sovereignty over the air space or the land or water below. Entering the zone does not require you to comply with reporting requirements unless your flight plan has you flying through that country's airspace. That's how the rule applies to the USA's own ADIZ. If a country wants to scramble interceptors to look into aircraft flying over international waters, well, that's their right. In fact in the new Chinese-declared ADIZ, Korea, Japan, China and the USA and anyone else is free to do so.

I do see the media are quick to concede that the zone belongs to China and they have thereby acquired some rights that didn't already have.

20 posted on 11/29/2013 1:15:17 PM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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