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'We've reached the end of antibiotics': Top CDC expert declares
The Daily Mail ^ | 26 October 2013 | SNEJANA FARBEROV

Posted on 10/26/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

A high-ranking official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has declared in an interview with PBS that the age of antibiotics has come to an end. 'For a long time, there have been newspaper stories and covers of magazines that talked about "The end of antibiotics, question mark?"' said Dr Arjun Srinivasan. 'Well, now I would say you can change the title to "The end of antibiotics, period.”' The associate director of the CDC sat down with Frontline over the summer for a lengthy interview about the growing problem of antibacterial resistance. Srinivasan, who is also featured in a Frontline report called 'Hunting the Nightmare Bacteria,' which aired Tuesday, said that both humans and livestock have been overmedicated to such a degree that bacteria are now resistant to antibiotics.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antibiotics; arjunsrinivasan; cdc; end; health; medicine; reached; srinivasan; superbugs
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To: Mike Darancette

-——The bugs have won?-—

No sequestration cut his funding and he is pissed. he wants money.


61 posted on 10/26/2013 3:14:51 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Marie

Xylitol is sugar alchol used in toothpaste and mouthwash that may help with ear infections. From Wikipedia;

“xylitol is actively beneficial for dental health by reducing caries to a third in regular use and helpful to remineralization[citation needed]. Multiple studies utilizing electron microscopy have indicated that xylitol is effective in inducing remineralization of deeper layers of demineralized enamel.[3][4] Xylitol also has been shown to reduce the incidence of acute middle ear infection”


62 posted on 10/26/2013 3:53:57 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Marie

And I can’t count the number of times I’ve had patients DEMANDING an antibiotic I didn’t think they needed. Followed by the dreaded “ patient complaint”. Lots of us just give up and write the Rx.


63 posted on 10/26/2013 4:12:52 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: reformedliberal
"I believe the poster was claiming that the Mexicans come in with infectious disease."

Tain't just Mexicans. It is illegal immigrants in general. Diseases which were once virtually eradicated by vaccinations and quarantines in the US have been re-imported into a population that has NOT been vaccinated, having been born after the illness were understood to have been eradicated. Little things like "tuberculosis".

Add to that little inconveniences like bed-bugs, virtually unheard of in the USA over my entire lifetime, and which are now spreading like plague.

64 posted on 10/26/2013 4:23:54 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: MinorityRepublican

Phages reduce antibiotics to the cure of the last century.


66 posted on 10/26/2013 4:27:09 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MinorityRepublican

An aspiring mass murderer.


67 posted on 10/26/2013 4:27:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ronnie raygun

yep


68 posted on 10/26/2013 4:32:34 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Marie

Doctors prescribed them too much.

They were used too much and the bacteria mutated,and mutated,and mutated.

Every ear infection or bad cold got an antibiotic.

Even if you never took one you’re affected because of the tough little “bugs”.


69 posted on 10/26/2013 4:33:23 PM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art of being easily offended.)
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To: Mears

Agreed.


70 posted on 10/26/2013 4:38:45 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: B4Ranch

Is that really true? I have my doubts.

Pulled from a “reliable” scientific source - Wikipedia:

Other bleaching applications are becoming more important as hydrogen peroxide is seen as an environmentally benign alternative to chlorine-based bleaches.[48] However scientific studies have found hydrogen peroxide to be ineffective in certain cases, and generally instruct hospitals, medical institutions, and other locations where public health is monitored, to use chlorine-based bleaches for disinfection.[49]

Although there are other products just out, e.g., HP bleach that is supposed to be the bees knees.


71 posted on 10/26/2013 4:53:41 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Kozak

I’m not looking to start an argument, but I’ve heard this from drs before. My question is this (and I think it’s a reasonable one): What would you do if a patient demanded opoids or an unnecessary surgery or a CT scan that they didn’t need?

I’ve had incidents where I went in with something in mind, but the dr effectively communicated with me and talked me into another route or into giving time for the problem to resolve. Hell, a dr explained why they weren’t giving my son a CT scan (and instead were running a hundred other tests) when the CT scan would’ve answered all of our questions. (Turns out there’s a lot more radiation than the general public is aware of.) I thanked him for explaining it to me and backed off.

Many parents/patients get frustrated because they’re living with the cycles of infection (and all the misery that goes with it) and, in many cases, they do need antibiotics regularly. But I promise you, in those cases, a patient would welcome an interested dr who said, “Let’s get to the bottom of this problem so we can get you healthy and keep it that way.” I don’t know anyone who loves antibiotics. They cause their own problems.

Again, I’m not tying to be confrontational, I just don’t understand why drs are such strong, confident professionals and effective communicators in every other area except this one.

Make sense?

And yes, I am genuinely listening with open ears and an open mind for your response.


72 posted on 10/26/2013 4:54:50 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: SgtHooper

There is full write up here.

http://drpaddock.blogspot.com/2011/04/mrsa-and-hydrogen-peroxide.html


73 posted on 10/26/2013 5:00:55 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: SgtHooper

There is full write up here.

http://drpaddock.blogspot.com/2011/04/mrsa-and-hydrogen-peroxide.html


74 posted on 10/26/2013 5:00:56 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Marie
1. I’m not ‘morphing the topic to painkillers’. No more than I’m ‘morphing the topic to physical therapy’. I was pointing out that physicians have the power to determine treatment and, in many areas, they actively do. Freely. But G-d forbid a mom ask for antibiotics... Then they’re weak, unprofessional, helpless people who can’t have a reasonable conversation with a mother? Sheesh.

And yet physicians refuse pain patients opioids every day.  LINK

Don't try to pull the 'I was only giving an example.." defense on this.  I'm giving you credit for knowing the difference between pain-killers of the type you're addressing here and antiobiotics.  One is a Class II narcotic, and the other is a common antiobiotic.  My having to address this is exactly why I called you on the attempt to change the topic.  Correcting that glaring comparision would have done exactly what I charged you with 'changing the topic.'  And here we are doing exactly what I suggested we would be doing, addressing something off the original topic.  You can understand that right?

2. Where did I ever advocate that anyone self medicate? In what way? HOW? If I ever said such a thing, please point it out so that I can apologize, because I don’t believe that. (I take it back. A couple of years ago I did admit that I self-medicated with animal antibiotics one time in highschool because we didn’t have insurance. I believe that I also said that I DID NOT RECOMMEND IT. Oh, and I gave myself stitches that same year.)

Pop a Valium. It’s called a ‘conversation’  LINK

3. So you’re saying that you’re going to refuse to admit that the ‘forceful mom’ is actually the least of the causes of the antibiotic resistance problem...

And this from the informed person who can't remember what they posted on the forum from one moment to the next, or what it's ultimate impact on the discussion will be?  Yeah...

Okay then the forceful mom is not a problem.  Strangely enough the internet is full of examples that indicate otherwise.  LINK

...in an effort to educate the poor idiots on FR who might read this thread? I hate to point this out to you, but FReepers have been all over this antibiotic issue long before the MSM got on top of it. We’re not idiots.

That's right.  You're just defending the well-informed people on the forum from little ole disrespectful me.  Well, you might be interested to visit this site.  It seems to have discovered a problem you had no idea was out there.

For the record, I never said or even came close to intimating that people on Free Republic are stupid.  That was your flight of fantasy.  I did say that the demographic here was such that information like this would be important.  Even if the information only helped one person, it could save the children around them some trouble.  Now, evidently it's your contention we shouldn't try to help each other here.  I don't agree.

Let me quote:

The article is titled, The Coming Antibiotic Apocalypse’ Is Why Parents Need To Trust Their Pediatricians.

The problem, of course, with visiting the doctor so often is that most parents expect to leave with a cure in hand. Or a prescription for a cure. And most doctors, afraid of not covering all the bases, missing a minor detail, getting sued, or simply angering their patient, prescribe those “cures” in the form of antibiotics. Even when the antibiotics are unnecessary and ineffective.

So find a physician you trust and then listen when they say, “Sorry, I think this is viral and we’ll just have to wait it out.”

Now I have to admit, I did find these on a rather anti-woman biased site.  It's called "Mommyish.com".  The author Lindsay Cross addresses her own demanor when she took her child in for care, and that of other parents too.  Then she offers guidance to parents, much like what I suggested here.  Imagine that.  LINK

I guess you have your work cut out for you, enlightening folks that the problem I addressed isn't really a problem at all.  Good luck with that.


75 posted on 10/26/2013 5:01:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: Marie

Marie, there is a big difference between Class II narcotics and antibiotics. Using Class II medications as an example of something a doctor refuses, when he doesn’t refuse antibiotics is an absurd comparison.

Not only that, these would generally not be prescribed by the same physician. A pediatrician will by and large prescribe Class II narcotics very seldom to children. A chemo physician would prescribe them to their patients. Generally it’s to their geriatric patients or patients in life ending situations.

A child in this situation would generally have been passed off to another physician specialist.


76 posted on 10/26/2013 5:09:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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77 posted on 10/26/2013 5:25:03 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Wonder Warthog

Oh, my. Should we close the border altogether? Not allow international flights to land?


78 posted on 10/26/2013 5:25:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re saying that ‘pop a Valium’ is me advocating that you literally self-medicate right now?

Did you mean that I should literally go outside and ‘get lost’ or were you being sarcastic?

Right there, you’ve lost credibility. You’re not interested in a debate/conversation. You just want to argue. You started an argument when there was none.

Now you’re just mad because you want the last word and I’m not giving it to you.

Grow up.

(And no. I do not mean that you should intentionally grow inches in height.)

As for the rest of the crap that you said, I’d happily address each and every point if it’s in the interest of discourse. But you just want an argument so I’m not going to bother.


79 posted on 10/26/2013 5:37:29 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Oh, my. Should we close the border altogether?

Yes. As in not allow passage of illegals.

"Not allow international flights to land?"

Passengers on international flights are LEGAL. They have passed through a minimum screening process just by virtue of the fact that they can afford a ticket.

And because they have come in legally, they have a "paper trail" that can be followed back to find people they may have contacted if it turns out that they "do" carry an illness, and those people isolated and/or treated.

Illegals do not have such a trail and cannot be traced back, and have reasons to avoid having that happen. So anyone who is exposed is likely never to know why/how they were made ill, and the illness will spread far and wide because the tools of quarantine cannot be applied.

This isn't rocket science....surely you are bright enough to understand those differences??

80 posted on 10/26/2013 5:37:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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