Posted on 10/17/2013 8:45:51 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
Governor Rick Perry was once alleged to have stated that Texas could secede in the future. But he now states he opposes succession:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/11/13/rick-perry-texas-secession-petition/1702359/
If the different states were to become different nations, the federal government would cease to exist. That means that the federal debt would be reduced to Zero. But the price that Americans would pay, would be the loss of super power status. Would Americans be better off or worse off, if the states were to become different countries?
The pretended confederacy had no legal existance. Their money has no legal value. Debts to them need not be paid. It never had any title to the territory which it claimed.
It was a pretended government. Rather like Charles Stuart of England, aka the “young pretender” in his waning years he was an old man with a brilliant future behind him.
I figure that soldiers will do their duty, or be punished for not doing their duty. Many will have their families with them at their post. So how many of their women and children are you planning to murder to drive them away?
“he was dismissed because he couldn’t be trusted to launch on Texas if Barry ordered it.”
I come from that environment and find it very difficult to believe the reasons stated by Obama. That is two nuke officers relieved of command in the past month. Obama wants to remove ALL nukes from the military. He said so. Why?
Only one ex-wife there. Another in California.
Most of those who fought for the south were conscripts, they were themselves slaves of the state.
Lincoln once said that anyone who supported slavery should find out more about the institution by becoming a slave themselves. Ironically, the southern soldiers were enslaved to fight for slavery, and many deserted, not caring for the institution or the cause.
In the last election, no candidate got as much as 70% of the vote in any state (aside from DC, Hawaii and Utah). Apart from Alabama, Arkansas, and (very narrowly) Tennessee, every southern state gave Obama at least 40% of the vote.
This suggests that secession isn't a real possibility, or if it is it would be a very messy and bloody thing even before the federal government got involved. Talk about throwing out or forcing out people who don't share the new country's prevailing ideology often comes up at some point in the discussion, and that could be very messy and bloody indeed.
Moreover there's no guarantee that the current political situation would prevail. Deprived of Washington DC as an easy target or focus, enough of the majority vote (Republican) would move towards the other party (Democrat) to tip the balance in their favor.
That just doesn’t make a very good song...
And I suppose now you’re gonna tell me you don’t make your home in Tennesee?
Sherman said if he owned Hell and Texas, he would live in Hell and rent out Texas.
No need to throw anyone out.
You get rid of the nanny libs by not allowing them to use the government to impose on their neighbor,
and get rid of the parasite libs by taking away their gibsmedats.
They’ll self-sort out of there.
That may be true, but it could be worse.
It could be that he was dismissed because the next guy in line would launch at Barry’s command, even after Barry was no longer in office.
Creepy in either case.
then lets do that to the whole country!
The future historian Robert Heinlein wrote on this years ago.
He predicted a shism that set apart the south and the northeast. I think Texas was included in the south. There was a great swath in the middle and north. Out west, California was split, inland and coastal. The coastal cities of Oregon and Washington were a part of the California coastal amalgam.
As I recall there were 5 divisions but neither Alaska or Hawaii were included.
My thoughts are that he pretty much got it right. Following his lead I have called not for secession, but for purge. I am specially drawn to the concept of purging all of New York and every thing north and east. Northern New Jersey and Wilmington might be added. These states are NeoEuropa, loyalists to the home countries. They have degenerated beyond salvation but can’t see it.
As far as California goes, I expect the big quake to take either LA or San Francisco out of being. With either gone, California might right its self.
Hayek addressed this -
the one holding the whip always ends up being the worst possible human being imaginable,
because all his predecessors were asked to do something they wouldn’t do, and he was willing to do.
I think that would be nice: No income tax, decent firearms laws. I think I might like Tennessee. When I retire.
I know a lot of good people that live close to both. I was first married in Palo Alto (at Stanford U Newman Center).
Maywood is just east of LA, about 5 miles from Little Tokyo.
So long as you know Heinlein wrote fiction, you will be ok. I rather like his fiction, but the guys who work at Natick on soldier augmentation tend to wish he hadn’t put quite as much detail gee-whiz into “Starship Troopers”.
In Maywood I was a “Stranger in a Strange Land”.
I am still looking for my “Friday”.
who would fight for the federal govt? the EBT crowd? main stream media hosts? John McCain? yeah, right. The Dems who get excited over the passing of the WW2 generation? Idiots...that’s the last generation to actually believe the whole US is greater than the sum of its parts. and the idiot left needs the whole thing to hang together or they might have to find actual jobs.
when it collapses and there is no money, they leave.
So it that true of the insurrection? If all you need for money is a printing press, then there will be no shortage of money.
Don't' secede. Expel the traitorous states that voted for someone who vehemently opposes the Constitution of the United States.
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