Posted on 10/14/2013 8:57:50 AM PDT by celmak
At a tea party rally in Washington Sunday billed as the “Million Vet March,” one idiot decided to bring Confederate flag, which was enough for liberals to paint the entire Republican Party as racist.
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His comment wasn't that "anyone" who flies the flag or "takes pride in his Southern Heritage" is being an idiot. (indeed, he even pointed out many people celebrate southern heritage by flying the Bonnie Blue Flag) His comment was that it's idiotic to fly the flag at a national tea party event that has nothing do with "southern heritage" and "states rights". It would be like carrying a Virgin Mary statue through a rally about tax reform.
>> I'm not even a Southerner and I'm not a neo-Confederate, but if there's one thing I can't stomach, it's the GOP's own brand of political correctness (i.e. trying to outdo liberal Democrats at the game of crying "racism"). <<
I understand what you're saying, personally I'm sick of conservatives who want to play the "let's pretend JFK was a heroic leader and great President because the liberal Democrats and the media say he was", but I think you need to consider that their is an appropriate time and place for everything. Whether you like it or not, the confederate flag is a polarizing symbol and it's not just popular with everyone. That's reality, not a liberal talking point. Flying a logo with the Chicago Cubs may be harmless and welcomed on the north side of Chicago, but fly it elsewhere in America and you'll likely to be ridiculed. The fact I'm from the Chicago area won't change that reality.
“...The Confederate flag represents the states rights to enslave others. ...”
To you, maybe it does. To others, it doesn’t. It’s that simple. Difference of opinions, on an opinion forum.
You want to convince other folks out here of your point of view, you need to present them with fact, not emotion.
“...My ancestors were slaves in the South. ...”
That doesn’t give you a mandate to tell other people how they should see that flag. Many people on this forum have ancestors who DIED fighting under BOTH flags.
Many people believe it was less about slavery and more about the Constitutional right of sovereign states to determine their own path.
Many people also think Lincoln was every bit the tyrant for sending Federal troops to invade the South. That doesn’t make it so, but nevertheless there is that perception to people who’s ancestral homes, farms, and plantations were burned to the ground, confiscated, and looted. And it is understandable from THEIR point of view - just as YOUR perspective of having ancestors who were slaves gives you the perspective you have.
The parallax view is what it is - the difference in perspective of an object viewed from two different sides.
You’re new out here. Your profile is 2012. And you are very welcome to be here. But some advice - You should learn how to converse with folks out here without jumping to the “Racist” card so quickly.
As a “Christian Conservative Republican black female” you’ll find you have many more allies than you realize once you realize we have a common enemy.
One Team, One Fight... and the Confederate flag is NOT the fight.
Look to DC for the real fight.
That's like blaming the Bible for the evils of the history of Christianity; but our nation, and the Bible, were not born in evil like the Confederate flag. What do you think our nation is birthed from?
Lee is buried at the college and it is now Washington and Lee. I believe it to be one of the finest schools in America.
First, I’ve never accused anyone who supports flying the Confederate flag as racist. I don’t drop the Racist word cause I’m too Conservative to do that.
I agree with you. Our fight is against the Leftists. However, this Confederate flag continues to be a topic here. Why should I be silent when supporters of the Confederate flag aren’t??
Second, you wrote “ Many people believe it was less about slavery and more about the Constitutional right of sovereign states to determine their own path”
What path did Southern states want to take?
I for one have had issues with conservative states being called "red" ... but we do choose our battles. I will however proudly fly the Stars and Bars and relate it to states rights and the right for sovereign states to succeed from a toxic relationship with an overbearing out of control Marxist federal monstrosity
So when they say jump all that is left for you is to ask how high.
so were my ancestors as were so many others on here but how far do you want to go back for ancestors being slaves?
There were black slave owners, Anthony JOhnson was a very harsh slave owners who basically got slavery legal in VA and oh he was black.
There were also slaves in the north and around the world and still is.
The stars and stripes put Indians into slavery , killed them raped them a d lets remember the buffalo soldiers who were black who helped to cleanse the Indians of their land.
Yet I see a biker group called buffalo soldiers riding about, shall they be deemed as racist?
so were my ancestors as were so many others on here but how far do you want to go back for ancestors being slaves?
There were black slave owners, Anthony JOhnson was a very harsh slave owners who basically got slavery legal in VA and oh he was black.
There were also slaves in the north and around the world and still is.
The stars and stripes put Indians into slavery , killed them raped them a d lets remember the buffalo soldiers who were black who helped to cleanse the Indians of their land.
Yet I see a biker group called buffalo soldiers riding about, shall they be deemed as racist?
I’ve answered this in my first post.
Based on your post then the confederate flag is the same as you said, infact the confederate battle flag was there to let armies and regiments know who they were .
exactly.
I asked how far shall we go back as I;m sure most of us had ancestors who were slaves at one point .
I;m sure you have heard this before.
Yankee asked Reb “why are you fighting?”
“Because you are down here” was the answer.
very well said.
Why do people like you keep trying to tell them why they do so instead of asking them? Frankly, people like you are like a wife that expects to be allowed to screw the football team as compensation for her husband not being a virgin when they married.
You can justify it any way you like, but the fact is the North violated the Constitution the South signed up with, and as soon as someone like you can show proof that the North wasn't going to further violate that Constitution, I'll agree the South had no reason to fight.
and no answer to my question only attack. Ok. Shrugs*
The one agreed to by all sides when the the Constitution was ratified.
Oh please: save the "you didn't accept my narrative, so you can't beat my argument" prattle for the People Magazine intellectuals.
In order to catch someone on the horns of a dilemma, you have to make sure there are only two choices.
The one agreed to by all sides when the the Constitution was ratified.
Oh, the right to be slaveholding states.
Yes Southern states did oppose Northern states & abolitionists interfering with their slave trade.
“...Why should I be silent when supporters of the Confederate flag aren’t??...”
I never said you SHOULD be. I said - You believe one way, others believe differently. Don’t be surprised when people push back when they don’t share your view - Especially when they push back on a newbie.
“What path did Southern states want to take?..”
Regardless. To them, it was about THEIR right to determine their own path as sovereign states.
We all agree now that no man can own another human being. That wasn’t the case back then. And there were many other issues going on at the time as well. Lincoln even said it himself - “If I could save the Union without freeing one slave, I would do it. If I could save the Union by freeing some of the slaves, and keeping the others in bondage, I would do it...” etc. Lincoln didn’t make it about slavery until well into the war, when the Southerners were kicking the living hell out of the North.
As for the “Racist” accusation, you are quite right - you never stated it outright. It was implied throughout some of your remarks.
The fact that YOUR ancestors were slaves doesn’t give you any moral high ground here. Other people here have ancestors who died BECAUSE your ancestors were slaves.
To me, I see those Southerners as Americans as much as the Northerners were - My kin, my ancestors, my people. I have family throughout Florida, Georgia, and Maryland, and I can guarantee you that somewhere in the family tree on Mom’s side there’s a relative who died in that conflict - wearing Blue OR Gray, and we NEVER owned slaves.
Slavery existed all over the world. It ENDED here because several hundred thousand Americans died.
Many of those same Americans who died in that conflict had ancestors who were slaves to someone else throughout history, in Europe. So again, you don’t own the moral high ground on it.
If people want to fly a Confederate Flag to honor THEIR dead ancestors and family it’s their right to do so. Like it or not, it’s Freedom of Speech.
“...The one agreed to by all sides when the the Constitution was ratified...”
Badda-Bing.
As for the “Racist” accusation, you are quite right - you never stated it outright. It was implied throughout some of your remarks.
I never implied it either.
I live near Mississippi. I shop there often. Lower taxes than where I live.
Never joined any boycott of MS.
So I believe in freedom to show the Confederate flag. I don’t agree with it tho.
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