Posted on 10/03/2013 11:51:06 AM PDT by noprogs
Do you know how to spell frustration with three letters? It's done G-O-P.
It's peanut harvest time now in South Georgia, and due to equipment failure today I'm not on the tractor, so I'm outstanding in my field. Beck was on the radio today with his "defund the GOP" campaign going full blast and I guess he will stay on that position until he sells all the tee shirts he has printed. Tried to call all morning with a better strategy whenever I didn't have a wrench in my hand, but like the GOP establishment,they have no time to listen since they have a show to put on. Same results with Wilkow. So here I am, and decided to try it this way after answering a post on a parallel subject.
The problem with the GOP are the Reagan Democrats, aka neocons, who have risen to power and are now the establishment. HALF OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE GOP IS IT IS CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS! They changed their label, but did not change the contents of the package. This is why the GOP continues to drift left in search of the elusive moderate, the evasive middle. This is why Pat Buchannan in ridiculed hardest by his own party, why Ted Cruz is such an anomaly, and why when I talk to a non voter they tell me "Why bother voting? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties.". You and I may know better, but looking at the steady growth of government in size, expense, intrusiveness and inanity regardless of which party is in charge, I can see their point.
The answer is not a third party, regardless of the figurehead, name or ideals. The deck is too stacked at the level where elections are controlled, which is the States. Furthermore, look at the mess in the Virginia gubernatorial race. Now I regularly read my Rothbard, but the Libertarian Party of Virginia has been duped into nominating Sarvis who is proposing a carbon credit program for the state. No true Libertarian is going to propose a new government program! Virginia Libertarians, everyone who shares your bong is NOT your friend and you have been rendered a worse joke by enviro whacko socialist infiltrators. While Cuccinelli is no small government champion, get used to saying "Governor McCauliff". Gee....thanks!
Then we have the folk, many on Free Republic who say "So and so did this. I'm done with the GOP.", or "Rove said or did that! I'm leaving the GOP.". You are a bunch of chicken (manure), whiney assed, quitter babies. I'm glad your sissy selves were not at the Battle of Kings Mountain! You have let a bunch of Michael Medved Democrats run you out of the GOP. YOU ARE THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROBLEM IN THE GOP! Gee.....thank you too!
Here is the solution. Be warned, it will require people with thick skin, a modicum of diplomacy, work and patience. People who choose to join this effort can expect ridicule, embarrassment, rejection and failure, but must be willing to persevere. THE GOP IS A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION. That is the key. Join your county or city party NOW. Attend all the meetings. Make new friends and repair old wounds. Volunteer for work. Practice your Dale Carnegie. Be sure to attend your mass meetings where the delegates to the district and state conventions are elected, and work to elect delegates who believe in small government. Be sure your county fills all it's slots at the conventions and do what you can to introduce good resolutions and elect good state and district officers.
This strategy works. The 8th Congressional District of Georgia has been turned around with true conservatives in all offices. Some headway has been made at the state level, and we intend to finish the job at the next election of officers. Moderate RINO officers of the GA GOP, you better have your big boy pants on. What happened in 2012 WILL NOT BE REPEATED. Our next slate of National delegates will have grit, not be (mushy) grits.
If enough people join this way and follow this plan, we can turn the GOP into a true second party in a two party system, and thus offer a clear alternative to the electorate. There are more non voters than members of either party or the mushy middle independents. Given a clear alternative, a true small government party will attract most of those votes. The key is offering a difference through a different GOP that has been co opted from within.
The whole country has gone looey and our political mess is only a mirror of it.
People are so short sighted today... even those who would be in a position to know better.
If there is problems with grassroots...
well one way to fix it is to sow better grass.
Tea party minded politicians can’t get a lot of impetus without tea party minded citizens.
To say it’s a fruitless cause is bogus. There are many good folks in Congress today because of conservative activism. It’s a forward trend.
The principled conservatives appear to be alienated already. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but the intent was a good shaming.
I’m 50 years old and have experienced a lot of disappointment from the GOP, peaking in 1992 and 1996 when I voted Libertarian, and thought about it again in 2012 after Tampa and what happened at the Georgia state convention that year. When I was 15, I was 100 yards from my house and Lamar Alexander lied to my face while I was wearing a Boy Scout uniform. Believe me, I understand the frustration, I understand the alienation.
A third party is a pipe dream. The Democrat party is beyond salvageable. The people in charge of today’s GOP used to be Democrats, at least in the South. I say they should experience ejection from a second party’s power structure. A true alternative, a Conservative party is the only hope, and making one out of the GOP is the only way.
So are you in or out?
Though the list isn’t comprehensive, please read my post in #44. Thanks
By Einstein’s definition of insanity, Edison should have been put in a straight jacket.
He just kept working on the same concept from slightly different approaches until he had an electric light bulb.
Us Engineers say, “The price of progress is trouble.”
>> So are you in or out?
As I stated earlier, I believe salvaging the Republican Party is the best way forward. Given the GOP is synonymous with the Establishment, I’ll stick with the term ‘Republican Party’, and advance the cause of electing Tea Party conservatives.
Pundits don’t do that, an independent is merely non-affiliated to a party, he can be liberal, moderate, conservative, anything, he can lean toward the democrat party or the republican party, and most do vote with one of those two parties.
Independent merely mean what it says, it doesn’t give any indication of political persuasion, in my case I am a conservative, too conservative to be a libertarian or republican.
Someone calling themselves a “libertarian conservative” is confused, if they are conservative on economics and social issues and national defense, then they are simply conservative, if they like conservative economics but are socially liberal, then they are too anti-conservative to be using the word, they fall into the category of just “libertarian” or “rino” in many cases.
A lot of us independents that would normally vote republican, just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-Romney/Obamacare, Reagan hating, non-patriotic, weirdo, Mitt Romney for instance.
I agree with both of your posts.
But
How can anyone be won over to small government, personal freedom and personal responsibility if nobody ever talks about it outside of FR? How can people with those values ever be elected if they have no party?
Look at Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Louis Ghomert. They were outspent multiple times over by their primary opponents who also had the backing of the RNC. Yet, there they are. Conservatism wins. More conservatives could win if they didn’t have to fight the GOP first.
We could use your help. Start local.
That’s what I’m doing too. That’s all I ask, work within the party to get the most conservative candidate through the primary.
Thanks.
That’s what I’m doing too. That’s all I ask, work within the party to get the most conservative candidate through the primary.
Thanks.
Yeah? Last week we watched the U.S. Senate vote 98-0 to confirm an openly homosexual judge to the federal circuit court, the first time that has ever happened.
Where were your "good folks" when that happened?
Where were your "good folks" when the Republicans in the House funded Obamacare the last two times around?
Where were your "good folks" the last time they raised the debt ceiling two and one half TRILLION dollars? My memory tells me that only EIGHT members of the House refused to go along with that, in one form or another.
Where are your "good folks" who are raising their voices and their votes against the continued funding of Planned Parenthood, completely apart from Obamacare?
Where are your "good folks" who are demanding the defunding of the multitude of other unconstitutional programs and agencies?
I could go on, but that's sufficient to make my point.
Many libertarians are non-party oriented as well despite the existence of the Libertarian Party. There are various Independent parties too, but you say you’re not affiliated with those parties. I accept that distance.
There’s a party for every conceivable political slant. But the terms independent, conservative, libertarian, liberal, and statist all have specific non-party meaning. You use two of the terms to describe your political orientation; independent & conservative. It’s equally valid to combine conservative & libertarian to mean very small govt and traditional values. The fact you reject that combination is inconsequential given the definitive meaning of the terms.
So you’re saying there is not ONE decent representative in Congress/Senate?
No I don't, I am a conservative, that is how I describe myself, anyone not registered to a party is an independent, it doesn't say anything at all about politics or any orientation.
It’s equally valid to combine conservative & libertarian to mean very small govt and traditional values.
No it isn't. A small government traditional values guy would be a conservative, now if he was liberal on social issues, then he could be either a libertarian, or a rino, depending on some various nuances.
People who are libertarian on social issues can't be called conservatives, and that is what libertarian means, when someone tells you that they are libertarian they aren't distancing themselves from conservative, small government economics, they are making a statement to distance themselves from traditional values, social conservatism.
>> A small government traditional values guy would be a conservative,
It’s not enough to say one is conservative in order to communicate the desire for small govt.; e.g., Santorum and Gingrich. Some conservatives are against the WoD. Some demand punitive consequences for homosexuality. Conservatism varies with no exact rules as to how the traditional values will be realized with the variable being enforcement.
That is mush.
But one obvious truth, when someone tells you they are a libertarian, especially on a conservative forum, they are telling you that they are here to argue against traditional values, because there is no argument on economics and small government.
There is not one that I’m aware of that is living up to the most important and fundamental obligations of the sacred oath of office.
>> they are here to argue against traditional values
Nonsense. The argument is against the statism you embrace.
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