Girl, 13, her boyfriend, 12, ordered to register as sex offenders [truncated title]

Your Jewish News ^ | Undated | David Ross

[expat1000]

..In this ironic case, the 13-year-old unidentified girl, and the 12-year-old boy, are both on the sex offender list and are the victims in the case, because they had consensual sex with each other.

The two violated a Utah state law that criminalizes having sex with a person under 14 years of age. Although they were both children, Utah State officials found them guilty of sexual abuse of a child....

[cloudmountain]

I think the law and order conservative has wrought enough heart ache on the world. Remember the law and order conservative created the war on drugs and prohibition. It also brought us Bill Clinton’s 100,000 new cops on the beat and all the busy work that it entails. Law and Order conservatives need to agree to punish crimes with victims harshly but stay out of stuff like this. Seat belt laws, cell phone laws, even the questionable DUI at .08 are questionable things.
Bill Clinton was no conservative, in any way, shape or form. The fact that such a LIBERAL Democrat brought forth 100,000 new cops, which I truly doubt as the number on the Internet don't agree with that, showed that new cops were essential. If the GOP had had their way, perhaps there would have been MORE new cops than 100,000.

What "law and order conservative" created prohibition? Are you talking Eliot Ness/Frank Nitty and friends? What?

MADD, another law and order conservative type whined and cried and got the .o8 passed. They created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecutors.
So MADD created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecuters??? Wow, even THEY don't think that they had THAT much power.
The ballot box showed WHO was tired of drunken drivers and the highest offender-group, males, 18-25, getting off with slaps on the wrist for drinking and driving.
STANFORD UNIVERSITY has an entire wing for the body parts of young males who have died driving the way that group drives. For the motorcyclists (almost ALL young males) they coined the term "donor-cycle" to demonstrate how that group of males are "prime donors" for body parts for the rest of the human family.

What had happened previously was that drunk drivers were not held accountable even when they caused accidents. The solution from MADD was to create a whole industry around DUI. The better response would have been to throw out BAC levels until an accident occurs. Punish a drunk driver who causes an accident with permanent drivers license revocation huge fines and imprisonment for many many years. This approach requires a victim. That’s the point. A victim.
Permanent driver's license revocation was suggested but turned down in California because the folks in SOUTHERN California HAVE NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION and rely totally on the CAR. Since they have most of the voters in that state, they had their way.
Personally, I like that idea, but it won't happen in California, the third largest economy in the WORLD.

I have had quite enough of the Law and Order conservative.
Have you now? Well, if their counterpart, the non-Law and Order liberal were in charge, I BET you wouldn't like THEM either. Just a guess, not sure.

[DariusBane]

The color thing makes my head hurt...

So jail time huh? Why not. Lock up everybody that offends you.

Last time I checked the law used to punish these kids, the Sex Offender laws are used to protect children from minors. I have no earthly idea what this judge is doing.

[DariusBane]

“Bill Clinton was no conservative”

True he was not. But he attracted lots of conservative votes. He triangulated. The 100k cops on the street was a classic ploy to get the law and order conservative.

As far as libertarians go, unfortunately many have hung their hats on drug USE. I am pretty sure that folks who want to use drugs will use them. They always have. In Russia these idiots are mixing diesel fuel, bleach, Lord only knows what in their bathtubs and melting their faces off. Whatever, Darwin award for them. Lets see, billions of dollars later hows the WOD going? Oh yeah. We are still losing. WOD has given us no knock raids, armored cars in police paint jobs, and SWAT teams who look like the Big Red One infantry division. WOD and RICO has subverted the Bill of Rights; the 4th amendment has become a joke. So I think we can safely say the WOD is a massive expensive jobs program for Federal Employees and construction companies specializing in jail construction.

I don’t know how to label me, but I really am a big fan of Jefferson, Adam, Locke, Franklin, Washington. So however you want to say it.

Prohibition was a classic case of Law and Order and Morals. It is hard to label Conservative or Liberal back then. It was pushed through with the Women s Temperance movement, suffrage, etc. Was it an appeal for law and order, morals? Yes. Sort of reminds me of the Jerry Falwell Moral Majority Crowd, but certainly no clear modern label exactly fits.

Yes, I have had quite enough of Law and Order Conservatives. Live and let live, not everybody needs to be in jail. Exception includes violent criminals, i.e. armed robbery, murder, drunk drivers who cause accidents, plus non violent thieves, contract breakers, larcenist, swindlers etc.

Laws exist to give us freedom from violence and oppression. Laws when properly applied provide freedom, ensure that when a man plants crops he can reasonably be certain that he will be able to harvest the crops and take them to market without a bully taking his labor. When the Laws become the oppressor, as now, we have a real problem.

[DariusBane]

I didn’t fully comment and the post was getting long so broke it up a little:

“So MADD created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecuters??? Wow, even THEY don’t think that they had THAT much power. “

Clearly you are aware that the .08 BAC built law offices, Assistant DA offices, Bail Bond businesses all over the country. This is reality. It is what it is.

[DariusBane]

Oops, I meant children from adults.

[freebilly]

Did House Leader Bonher sire a kid when he was 12 and get the above punishment, thos could explain a great many thing.... Like why he cries all the time...

They also removed the spine along with his testicles....

[Nowhere Man]

I was like you when young. Cops, Judges, got the benefit of the doubt in my mind. I thought of Miranda as a useless trick used by trick attorneys to get bad guys off

I was there, now I generally support the idea of the Miranda. BTW, I know people do get mad at defense attornies but you got to remember, it is their job to represent the defendant and again, their job is to get them off or the lightest sentence as possible. As sometimes our system may not work the way we want it to, it is there to give a fair shake to the accused. I know some guilty goes free but I'd take that over having an innocent jailed. That's why I'm against the death penalty unless it is used for high treason and even then there should be a huge burden of proof. I know there are bad people, upon conviction in a fair court of law, who must be locked up, if it is just that, it is OK with me.

But times have changed. Ruby Ridge, Waco, Murrah Building really got me thinking about the responsibilities of the Government. Violence begets violence. Lawlessness by the government breeds violence of all kinds.

Yeah, sometimes I chalk it up to bad karma, do bad things, bad things happen back at you but as you put it, it is a vicious cycle. There are people who cannot take it anymore and who have no ties, either by circumstance or choice, along with the thought of "nothing left to lose" well, you get the idea. Again, my buddy in my last story, he installs breathilizers in cars, most of them court ordered by the State of West Virginia. BTW, I have no problem with that if it is court ordered as a method of rehabilitation but there are forces that want them in every car. I got into a huge debate over that with my high school teacher over that. She said, "if it saves one life." I like to save lives, but we must ask "is it Constitutional" as well as using logic and reason over knee-jerk emotion.

Getting back to my buddy, he is starting up the Weirton office, already he had 80 to 100 installs. I think tying in to what you said, there is a lot of dispair and hopelessness out there, I think more people are hitting the bottle or going to drugs so he's gonna be busy for a while.

The people will almost always choose safety over liberty and the politicians know how to sell bigger budgets, more regulations etc using this.

I know, as Mike Savage says, "the sheeple." Again, I think of my teacher in that debate.

So here we sit with NSA running roughshod over the Bill of Rights. It started with Law and Order conservatives demanding a “fix” from the government for just about any conceivable problem they could come up with.

Shame, isn't it? My father went to Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. He had to go through the TSA checkpoint and got so angry, he just opened up his mouth and said, "well, I guess the terrorists have won." He almost got into trouble with the TSA on that, although he is right.

There is one side of me that thinks one day the Feds will be irrelevant. When, or how, I do not know. The NSA and internet is like a Tower of Babel in a way. Like the tower of Biblical times, it takes a lot of support for all of this. If something happens to the power grid, it will come down and stop eventally, perhaps after the diesel runs out at the NSA's generators, that is, if the internet is still up.

[Nowhere Man]

Clearly you are aware that the .08 BAC built law offices, Assistant DA offices, Bail Bond businesses all over the country. This is reality. It is what it is.

It is a cash cow, can you say "Moo?"

[DariusBane]

I forgot the Ignition Interlock companies, and the installers. LOL

[cloudmountain]

Clearly you are aware that the .08 BAC built law offices, Assistant DA offices, Bail Bond businesses all over the country. This is reality. It is what it is.

Yes, I am. I am also aware that EVERY single thing we see on the boobustubus is a packaged, pre-thought out product for us to believe in, consume and wholehearted embrace.

Drunken drivers kill more people every year than all the soldiers we lost in Vietnam. I can sympathize with those folks who lost their loved ones to drunken drivers. I don't drink any more and I hate driving at night. I ALWAYS was out of the bars and ALMOST home a good 3/4 hour before the bars closed (2:00 A.M.) and thus avoided most of them. I was NEVER, EVER stopped for drinking/driving. I was NEVER that stupid.

How else would you and I know SO MUCH about that business?
"Dog" and "Beth" wouldn't have made it on to the 3:00 A.M. C-rated movies 20 years ago. Now they have a NAME and their own T.V. show.

As I recall, one of the shows that started it was America's Most Wanted. It was THE most HORRIBLE event in John Walsh's life that precipitated his show but his agony, anger and persistence started something HUGE and good.

[cloudmountain]

Laws exist because our main introduction to God was His ten commandments. It really is that simple.

God also gave us (most of us) a conscience. THAT is the REAL self-check on making, breaking and following the law. We can only ask God for the grace to follow His laws.

The rest is lawyer-talk.

[cloudmountain]

What is so interesting is that we Americans have the freedom to rant and rave at how awful so many things are in this country. I’d like to see some of those complainers live in Bangladesh for a few weeks...no, just a few hours. We would really see some whining and moaning there. What a pit hole it is. We are just so dang lucky to live here.

[cloudmountain]

The color thing makes my head hurt...

So, who cares?

[DariusBane]

My head cares...

[cloudmountain]

Take a pill and stop whining.

[DariusBane]

Oh dear, somebody is wounded. An interesting thing focus on given the nature of the debate up to this point.

I had thought we were having a decent debate up to know, but it’s just “nanner nanner boo boo” now.

[cloudmountain]

Lol. No, just bored. NOT your fault.