Why evolutionary materialism leads to the unreality of your existence

American Christian author Dr. Frank Turek notes that Cambridge-trained Ph.D. Stephen Meyer's New York Times best-seller, "Darwin's Doubt," is creating a major scientific controversy. Because Darwinists absolutely hate it, Meyer's well-reasoned argument that an intelligent designer is the best explanation for the evidence at hand elicits irrational accusations that Meyers is anti-scientific and guilty of endangering sexual freedom everywhere. (Darwin's Doubt, Turek, Townhall.com, July 09, 2013)

"Neo-Darwinism and the theory of intelligent design are not two different kinds of inquiry, as some critics have asserted. They are two different answers – formulated using a similar logic and method of reasoning – to the same question: 'What caused biological forms and the appearance of design in the history of life?'" (ibid.)

The real issue here is not "anti-scientific" intelligent design or for that matter, the Genesis account of creation ex nihilo ("special creation" as evolutionary materialists call it) versus "scientifically enlightened reason and science," but about creation account vs. anti-creation account (Darwinian materialism).

The reason Darwinists on one hand, and intelligent design and Genesis account proponents on the other, arrive at radically different answers is because Darwinists are neo-pagan materialists and the other two are not.

While intelligent design proponents are open to intelligent causes (just like crime scene investigators are), Genesis account creationists hold that our Creator, the living, personal Triune God, the Divine Source of life who exists outside of the space/time dimension is Jesus Christ, the angel who spoke with Moses at Sinai.

Foremost of His miracles is creation out of nothing – six days of creation rather than the billions of years of evolutionary process out of already existing or spontaneously generated matter:

"The first moment of time is the moment of God's creative act and of creation's simultaneous coming to be." (Philosopher and New Testament scholar William Lane Craig, quoted in "If God created the universe, then who created God?' by Jonathan Sarfati, Creation Ministries International)

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27)

As all men are the spiritual image-bearers of the Triune God, it logically follows that each male and female is a trinity of being – of soul, spirit, and body:

"The essence of the human is not the body, but the soul. It is the soul alone that God made in his own image and the soul that he loves....For the sake of the soul...the Son of God came into the world...." (Incomplete Work on Matthew, Homily 25, Ancient Christian Devotional, Oden and Crosby, p. 153)

For fifteen hundred years, Christendom and then later Protestant America had followed St. Augustine (AD 354-430) in affirming that all men are three part spiritual image-bearers of the transcendent Triune God (Gen. 1:27). This unique view of man was affirmed by the brilliant French economist, statesman, and author Frederic Bastiat. Man as God's spiritual image-bearer is the precious gift from God, which includes the physical, intellectual, and moral life:

"He has provided us with a collection of marvelous faculties. And He has put us in the midst of a variety of natural resources. By application of our faculties to these natural resources we convert them into products, and use them. Life, faculties, production – in other words, individuality, liberty, property – this is man (and) these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place." (Bastiat, "How Evil Works," David Kupelian, p. 8)

Vishal Mangalwadi, India's foremost Christian scholar, writes that this unique concept of man as God's spiritual image-bearer gave birth to the "belief in the unique dignity of human beings," and this is

"...the force that created Western civilization, where citizens do not exist for the state but the state exists for the individuals. Even kings, presidents, prime ministers, and army generals cannot be allowed to trample upon an individual and his or her rights." (Truth and Transformation: A Manifesto for Ailing Nations, pp. 12-13)

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity – omnipotent chance...." (T. Rosazak, Unfinished Animal, pp. 101-102, 1975)

They hate the very thought of Him as their Father and seek escape to a nowhere land, an impersonal, collective communal unconscious where man as God's spiritual image-bearer, immutable truth, order, moral law, sexual ethics, authority, hell, heaven, angels, demons, meaning, and purpose do not exist. For these reasons and others, such as Original Sin and the two created sexes, they fiercely reject intelligent design but viciously hate creation ex nihilo, and choose rather to embrace evolutionary and materialist conceptions. The truth of this can be seen in the following quotes:

"The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. The voluntary...reasons for holding doctrines of materialism...may be predominantly erotic, as they were in the case of Lamettrie...or predominantly political as they were in the case of Karl Marx." (Aldous Huxley, "Ends and Means," p. 315, from Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control, E. Michael Jones, p. 27)

"...one belief that all true original Darwinians held in common, and that was their rejection of creationism, their rejection of special creation. This was the flag around which they assembled and under which they marched.... The conviction that the diversity of the natural world was the result of natural processes and not the work of God was the idea that brought all the so-called Darwinians together in spite of their disagreements on other of Darwin's theories." (One Long Argument, 1991, p. 99, Ernst Mayr (d. 2005), Professor of Zoology at Harvard University)

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." ("Billions and Billions of Demons," Richard Lewontin, PhD Zoology, Alexander Agassiz Research Professor at Harvard University)

Metaphysical nihilism (all that exists is matter and energy) is the metaphysics of both physical materialism and nonphysical materialist conceptions.

What chiefly separates these two is whether matter is physical or nonphysical. If physical, then the Triune God, heaven, hell, soul/spirit, angels, and demons do not exist. But if nonphysical, then for example, spirits, ghosts, divine sparks, Transcended Masters, intra-cosmic deities, Orobouros, astral planes, divine impersonal mind, and Christ consciousness exist but the material world is an illusion.

Brooks Alexander, the founder of The Spiritual Counterfeits Project (SCP), an evangelical ministry and think-tank in Berkeley, California, identifies both physical and nonphysical materialist conceptions as the two sides of pagan monism. Because they are from the same root, they tend to cross-pollinate and mingle,

"...producing a brood of offspring that exhibits the genetic heritage of its parents in a confused and confusing array. Soon it becomes impossible to say whether a given movement, trend or school of thought is a secular impulse that has absorbed Eastern/occult values, or an Eastern/occult teaching that has dressed itself in secular language." (The Rise of Cosmic Humanism: What is Religion?" Brooks Alexander, SCP Journal, 1981-82, p. 2)

In other words, for many years secular-human physicalists have been quietly crossing over into spiritual or cosmic conceptions of matter and embracing for example, Zen Buddhism and Teilhards idea, which leapfrogs off of Darwin's theory.

The apostate French Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955) taught that an impersonal god-force emerges from spontaneously generated matter. According to Teilhard, this evolution of a god-force results in evolution becoming "conscious of itself" and ultimately, in the transformation of all physical matter into nonphysical divine matter defined by Teilhard as "Christ consciousness" or "pure spirit." Teilhard called this final stage of evolution the "Omega Point" and "the cosmic Christ."

The perennially persuasive Big Lie underlies both physical and nonphysical conceptions. This thought is expressed openly in the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Dr. Beverly Galyean, leading exponent of occult Luciferian New Age confluent education:

"The Buddhists and the Jains do not depend on God; but the whole force of their religion is directed to the great central truth in every religion: to evolve a God out of man." (Inspired Talks, Ramakrishna Vivekananda Center, 1958, p. 218)

"Once we begin to see that we are all God, that we have the attributes of God, then, I think the whole purpose of human life is to reown the Godlikeness within us...So my whole view is very much based on that idea." (Galyean quoted by Francis Adeney, Educators Look East, Radix 12, No. 3, Nov-Dec. 1980, p. 21)

This same idea expressed in secular terms such as self-realization and self-actualization (a term coined by Abraham Maslow) underlies many contemporary psychotherapies.

"Behold, you are of nothing, and your work of that which hath no being: he that hath chosen you is an abomination." Isaiah 41:24

Though evolutionary materialists congratulate themselves for being scientifically enlightened, cutting edge 'elite' free thinkers, the truth is otherwise, meaning that materialists, whether of the secular physical or occult spiritual school are miserable self-deceived nihilists for whom there is neither source for "self" (conscious life, psyche, individual mind) nor for meaning and purpose in life. They are "of nothing" and the unreality of their own existence is the devastating price they have paid the devil, the father of death and nihilism, for "saving" them from the living God.

The misery inducing "salvation" of "nonself" is not something new but something ancient. It began with Buddha who craved God-like power to deconstruct and reinterpret the soul. Taking power not only requires the murder of God but the teaching of lies.

"....you took God away from them (and) your espousal of an absence of self is the most unique and fearsome claim you made...You turned from Hinduism because it said there was an essential self, which they called the atman." (The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha, Ravi Zacharias, pp.59, 67)

Six centuries before Jesus Christ, the Buddha already knew that if all that exists is matter then the human self cannot exist either:

"Therefore, he deconstructed the Hindu idea of the soul. When one starts peeling the onion skin of one's psyche, he discovers that there is no solid core at the center of one's being. Your sense of self is an illusion. Reality is nonself (anatman). You don't exist. Liberation, the Buddha taught, is realizing the unreality of your existence." (The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 6)

If all that exists is matter and energies working on and through matter, then it logically follows that there is no source for life, conscious life (soul, spirit and will), the two sexes, human dignity and worth, or for unalienable constitutional rights beginning with the right to life, liberty, and property. Without the Triune God, meaning drains into meaninglessness and man is reduced to less than nothing, a conclusion Buddha reached long before Marxist Communists attempted to scientifically re-engineer human beings after the fashion of metaphysical nihilism.

"Thought crime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for awhile....but sooner or later they were bound to get you." George Orwell, 1984

After seizing control of Russia, Marxist materialists utilized propaganda of the lie, re-education with major emphasis on Darwinism, revision of history, and other confusion-inducing, mind-and-thought-control techniques in connection with brain-altering drugs, electro-shock therapy, terror, and other brutal measures to

"...liquidate all expressions of individual identity in favor of an impersonal collective, communal consciousness." (The Book that Made Your World, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 74)

Following in Buddha's footsteps, Western and American evolutionary materialists took our Creator away and replaced Him with nihilist Darwinian materialism. Then they conceptually reduced His spiritual image-bearers to less than nothing, taught monstrous lies as scientific fact, morally corrupted Westerners and Americans, and brutally ridiculed and demonized anyone who dared speak truth to their lies. By these means they set Western and American civilization adrift in infinite nothingness.

Nihilism is spiritual, moral, intellectual, and cultural suicide. It is the devil's inferno here on earth, the void of everything and nothing in which death is life, evil is good, lie is truth, up is down, male is female, female is male, rolling in filth is good clean fun, bad is good but evil better, and the father of nihilism is god.

The unreality of "self" is a waking nightmare fueled by horrors of conscience, obsession with death, and hellish terrors of mind that make suicide, murder, abortion, euthanasia, and genocide into virtues.

"...I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life...." Deuteronomy 30:19-20

"Thou hast brought forth, O Lord, my soul from hell: thou hast saved me from them that go down into the pit." Psalm 30:3

The Second Person of the Holy Trinity, the Living Word become Flesh, Jesus Christ the Physician, came to heal the spiritually sick and dying, to save their immortal souls. Just as we are on the verge of going down into the pit, ready to depart to the unseen world, if we will repent and turn back to Him, then by His providence and grace our Lord will revive our souls and deliver us from those accursed horrors of conscience and ghastly terrors of mind which by reason of our sin are as hell searing itself into and possessing our very minds. (Psalm 116:3)

But whoever rejects the Physician, the Divine Source of life and soul, rejects His prescription, thereby destroys him or herself. So we ought to turn back to Him right now, before it is too late.

Oh I beg to differ. The Bible defines faith as “the substance of that which is hoped for” and “the evidence of things not seen”. It also says we should walk by faith and not by sight. I think that is pretty clearly a definition. The first definition clearly says that faith is a wish. The second very clearly and unequivocally says that belief itself is evidence. The third tells us that our beliefs are more real than the information brought to us by our senses. That is pure and unadulterated Subjectivism.
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You whole conversation here has been subjective... so far..
Not that I reject it all... just much(some) of it..

You seem to be new to some of these issues..
Have you learned anything yet?..

In my eagerness to post yesterday, I made several errors. One was a silly grammatical error. I was speaking about qualia and summed things in a sentence starting "This is" then decided to change the "this" to "qualia" for clarity but failed to reread it. LOLOL!

TXnMA caught that one and concerning the second verse of Genesis 1, he was kind enough to point out another error I made in a Freepmail to me this morning. Hopefully he will post the correction and extend the discussion.

Certainly, I should have prefaced the terms "soup" and "watery" with words to show I did not mean those terms literally (obviously, since atoms had not yet formed) - but rather to visualize the composition of the early universe and how it corresponds to the second verse of Genesis 1.

Among Christians, Jews and Noahides there is a wide variety of understanding concerning Genesis. My understanding is very close to Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder's and takes into account the underlying meaning of original Hebrew words which have been translated as "morning" "evening" "day." See: Age of the Universe.

Likewise, I perceive that God was the only observer of creation and the author of Scripture, i.e. He is the Creator of both heaven and earth, both spiritual and physical. Thus I read Genesis chapters 1 to 3 from the inception perspective (space/time) and shift to the perspective of Adamic man (space/time) at the top of chapter 4 when he is banished to mortality. In this view, all the usual objections - e.g. plants before sunlight - melt away.

If you are interested in any of those theological points, let me know and I shall be happy to explain them.

I do see a very superficial similarity between genesis and the big bang theory but it can easily be chalked up to coincidence.

As Einstein said, "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous."

More to the point, the conclusion a person draws is largely influenced by the evidence he considers. If a person chooses to exclude evidence from his reasoning, he commits the logical fallacy of "argument from ignorance" or "begging the question (circular reasoning)."

But arguing logical fallacies is a waste of time in this forum. Of course a person comes to the debate with presuppositions or worldviews some of which would exclude large areas of evidence or knowledge on principle, e.g. metaphysical naturalism. And some worldviews are so bizarre as to shutdown a discussion before it can get going, e.g. there's little to be argued with the person who believes reality is a figment of his own imagination.

Likewise, when a correspondent excludes as non-existent anything which cannot be physically measured or observed - issues raised in the debate which cannot be explained by physical cause/effect will be "chalked up" in his/her own mind as either a coincidence or an unknown that will someday be found by the scientific method. This essentially ends the discussion with an unstated "Nature did it."

Like in Tegmark's essay on the Level IV Parallel universe, the frog cannot see what the bird sees, but what the frog does see makes sense to the frog.

"TXnMA caught that one and concerning the second verse of Genesis 1, he was kind enough to point out another error I made in a Freepmail to me this morning. Hopefully he will post the correction and extend the discussion."

That was not so much a "correction" as it was a "meeting of minds". '-) Nonetheless, I do, Indeed, intend to and that contribution to this discussion. In fact, I am in the process of revising and re-drawing the graphic I included in my FRepmail to illustrate my viewpoint on the timing of the origination of anisotropy in what should have been an isotropic event.

For now, though, I must head out for our courthouse, and do some historical research -- and, then, proceed on to my final meeting as chairman of our county's Historical Commission. I decided to retire, after several years of service in that position, and to hand the gavel and the burdens over to a very worthy successor. (However, I will retain my position as Historical Marker Chairman -- I still have much to accomplish in that role.)

My hope is that resigning that one job will free me up for things I enjoy more -- such as FReeping and archaeology / cartography and teaching.

Don't go away -- I'll be back here soon with what is, I hope a solid -- and illustrated -- contribution to this discussion. TXnMA

Look it up yourself. It is right there in the first account of creation. I don’t care to haggle over interpretations. That is another huge red flag for me and the final nail in the coffin for the bible as the word of god. If it were it would be clear and understandable and would not need to be interpreted by the very beings who the bible tells us are fallen, imperfect and incapable of thinking for themselves. We would just be able to take it literally but apparently it isn’t because every Christian I have met has a different one depending on what church they go to. I don’t care what anyone’s interpretation is because I don’t consider it the word of God.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

I asked you to provide the Scripture to support your claim. What I got was a snark response. Not 'reading' your mind's intent, I allowed the possibility of the numerous translations filled with the traditions of men/women. But apparently based upon your snarky response your mind is made up.

There was a time when I would have 'felt' really bad for your mindset. However, this flesh age is getting long in the tooth and whether or not any soul/spirit intellect has the need for and love of truth, I finally realized my latter end is NOT contingent upon what path others take.

AND whether or not you keep your own path or seek to understand what Genesis actually and literally says in giving a chronology of this 'flesh' age does not change what is yet in store. Christ said 'I have foretold you all things', but He did not say that any or all would understand and/or comprehend all things. I know I sure do not understand all things foretold, but, I at least do have a primary expectation of worldly events as they unfold.

I figured you had it by heart. On the first day he created light. On the second day he created the sky by creating a vault to separate the waters above from the waters BELOW and he called the vault sky so clearly the Earth was already created because on the next day he causes the waters to gather into one place to make the land appear. Then he created plants. On the 4th day he created the Sun, the Moon and the stars and he SET THEM in the sky. So clearly he created the Earth first, then land, then plants and then the Sun and Moon. So this is a problem because we are only a handful of paragraphs into the most holy book which is supposed to be the truth of all truths and already you have to change the story and rationalize to make it fit the actual data of our observations. We can’t just read it. If this part is so wrong how can we trust any of the rest of it. Now we have a contradiction between science and the bible. You choose to believe the bible and I choose to believe science because scientists don’t just assert, they provide evidence and other scientists check the evidence on a continuous basis to integrate what we know with new data. I’ll let reality be the judge of who is right. The point is that you have to accept the story of genesis on faith and that is not reason that is just subjective belief. I don’t have a problem with people believing it. That’s their right. I do have a problem when they come and tell me I am an irrational fool because I don’t believe and I am blind and then threaten me with eternal punishment and they do all of this without a single solitary shred of evidence to back it up. Alamo girl said in her recent post that it is pointless pointing out logical fallacies on this forum which proves my point. You all don’t care if your arguments are fallacious and invalid because you don’t use logic. That’s why you can tell me that the bible doesn’t say what it says about the Earth being created before the sun and the moon. I don’ accept anything but logic so that is why we will never come to an understanding. Your faith separates us and causes you to judge me and wish bad things to happen to me because the person who repeats a threat to me is the one who threatens me. Stop it. Just stop it.

I am not pushing a religion. And I believe that each individual has the God given right to believe what they elect. Reality is what it is and if the literal evidence causes the WORD to appear confused then the WORD is not being read with understanding.

Genesis 1:1 is a declaration of action wherein the heavens and the earth were 'created'. No time stamp is given when these actions and/or events took place.

Genesis 1:2 has that big word AND describing a specific event following the creation of the heavens and the earth. There is no time stamp as to when this earth became 'without form' and 'void', and 'flooded'. Genesis is a chronology of events not a full disclosure and description of events.

Planted in Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; HE hath established it to be inhabited: "I am the LORD; and there is none else.

So before Genesis 1:3 begins to introduce a Godly time stamp, we are told the heavens and the earth exist and a catastrophic event caused this earth to be uninhabitable.

Peter says that one day with the LORD is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day. And some claim God is outside of time... why He keeps time far better than His creation has or can.

Few ever consider what is being outlined in Genesis 1:2. And planted by other holy prophets in the volume of the book are glimpses of a 'supernatural' kind of war. And this earth is filled with parts and pieces of literal evidence that tell the story of a long ago catastrophic event(s) which destroyed all physical/flesh life upon this earth.

Yes, you can call it my interpretation, but Genesis 1:3 onward of the 'days' describes the grandest environmental clean up ever undertaken. The heavens and earth were not remade it was cleaned up and reestablished to be inhabited for this 'flesh' age.

And, there is to be yet another cleansing of this earth in the not so distant future. All 'evil' will be destroyed. Only the Creator has kept the perfect record and prerogative to 'judge' what is evil.

Literal science does not decide the outcome first and then seek to use the literal and available evidence to foster that conclusion. God is the ultimate scientist and there is no doubt He smirks at those who worship His creation instead of Him. Yeah, you can call that a 'judgment'. WE all, every soul/spirit intellect that passed through this flesh age will get to have their one on one, face to face accounting... yet future. The only advocate present with be the Redeemer Christ. And it does read that some will prefer to be destroyed from within because they have no natural love and affection of the Creator.

God was not impressed or snookered when He called upon the Adam for an accounting. I do not expect the excuse of, well, God that woman you gave me made me do it, will score any holy points. All this applies to me as much as anyone else.

I responded to your red flag notation of two different descriptions of creation.... I agreed with you they are different and should be read and being different. Really not a big deal given what has been discovered by the scientists regarding what story DNA tells about each individual flesh body.

... to illustrate my viewpoint on the timing of the origination of anisotropy in what should have been an isotropic event.

Why should we expect that this should have been an isotropic event?

If the event were "informed," isotropy would be the least expected outcome.

I'm both sad and glad that you have resigned from your long tenure as chairman of your county's Historical Commission. Sad, because you loved working in that post, and by all accounts were outstanding in your execution of same. Glad, because that suggests you have found some other new area of "mind and action" to which you will bring your wisdom and energy....

I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit will continue to be your guide in your new endeavors, dear brother in Christ! And I look forward to hearing about your progress WRT your new pursuits!

To me, you — among other things a highly accompished physical chemist — embody the very idea of fides quarens intellectum, of faith in search of its reason.

Some people out there in FReeperland and beyond may regard "faith" and "reason" as mutually exclusive terms. But I do not; and I daresay, neither do you. Rather, they are fundamentally complementary and finally exist together in synergistic, dynamic relation....

Just some thoughts, dear brother in Christ! Thank you ever so much for your splendid elucidation of events in the early Universe as they comport with God's Revelation to us of the ex nihilo Beginning from which His Creation was created.

Our friend albionin wants to chalk up the amazing accord between the text of Holy Scripture and the findings of contemporary science to "coincidence."

I strongly doubt that it is any such thing. Rather, I see Genesis 1 as the root idea that the mind of man has been exploring over the past ~2,500 years, all the while pointing science to its own business of "evolving" truthful knowledge about the world we actually live in.

JMHO FWIW

Thank you, Dear Sister -- but there's no "sadness" re that decision here! For one thing, I'm remaining on the Commission and doing what I enjoy and do best: researching and creating historical markers. For another, "riding herd on a bunch of cats" is the least enjoyable thing for an "individual contributor" like me!

Also, remember that I'm still an Archaeological Steward with the Texas Historical Commission. that means I am responsible for archaeological and historic preservation projects in my county and all adjoining counties -- and "as far as I am willing to drive"... '-)

In addition to multiple active archeological projects in six counties, making (many) presentations, and doing cartographic / overhead imagery research on historic roads and trails over a WIDE area -- my latest challenge is trying to prevent an organization called "Historic Jeffrson Foundation" from allowing the (National Register listed) last surviving Confederate Ordnance magazine of its type to fall off into Big Cypress Bayou.

One of my (illustrated) articles on the "Powder Magazine's plight"...

Otherwise, I raise grandkids, manage 65 acres of piney woods -- and FReep -- which I better get back to doing... '-)

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