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To: Just mythoughts

I figured you had it by heart. On the first day he created light. On the second day he created the sky by creating a vault to separate the waters above from the waters BELOW and he called the vault sky so clearly the Earth was already created because on the next day he causes the waters to gather into one place to make the land appear. Then he created plants. On the 4th day he created the Sun, the Moon and the stars and he SET THEM in the sky. So clearly he created the Earth first, then land, then plants and then the Sun and Moon. So this is a problem because we are only a handful of paragraphs into the most holy book which is supposed to be the truth of all truths and already you have to change the story and rationalize to make it fit the actual data of our observations. We can’t just read it. If this part is so wrong how can we trust any of the rest of it. Now we have a contradiction between science and the bible. You choose to believe the bible and I choose to believe science because scientists don’t just assert, they provide evidence and other scientists check the evidence on a continuous basis to integrate what we know with new data. I’ll let reality be the judge of who is right. The point is that you have to accept the story of genesis on faith and that is not reason that is just subjective belief. I don’t have a problem with people believing it. That’s their right. I do have a problem when they come and tell me I am an irrational fool because I don’t believe and I am blind and then threaten me with eternal punishment and they do all of this without a single solitary shred of evidence to back it up. Alamo girl said in her recent post that it is pointless pointing out logical fallacies on this forum which proves my point. You all don’t care if your arguments are fallacious and invalid because you don’t use logic. That’s why you can tell me that the bible doesn’t say what it says about the Earth being created before the sun and the moon. I don’ accept anything but logic so that is why we will never come to an understanding. Your faith separates us and causes you to judge me and wish bad things to happen to me because the person who repeats a threat to me is the one who threatens me. Stop it. Just stop it.


172 posted on 08/07/2013 8:03:50 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: albionin
I am not pushing a religion. And I believe that each individual has the God given right to believe what they elect. Reality is what it is and if the literal evidence causes the WORD to appear confused then the WORD is not being read with understanding.

Genesis 1:1 is a declaration of action wherein the heavens and the earth were 'created'. No time stamp is given when these actions and/or events took place.

Genesis 1:2 has that big word AND describing a specific event following the creation of the heavens and the earth. There is no time stamp as to when this earth became 'without form' and 'void', and 'flooded'. Genesis is a chronology of events not a full disclosure and description of events.

Planted in Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; HE hath established it to be inhabited: "I am the LORD; and there is none else.

So before Genesis 1:3 begins to introduce a Godly time stamp, we are told the heavens and the earth exist and a catastrophic event caused this earth to be uninhabitable.

Peter says that one day with the LORD is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day. And some claim God is outside of time... why He keeps time far better than His creation has or can.

Few ever consider what is being outlined in Genesis 1:2. And planted by other holy prophets in the volume of the book are glimpses of a 'supernatural' kind of war. And this earth is filled with parts and pieces of literal evidence that tell the story of a long ago catastrophic event(s) which destroyed all physical/flesh life upon this earth.

Yes, you can call it my interpretation, but Genesis 1:3 onward of the 'days' describes the grandest environmental clean up ever undertaken. The heavens and earth were not remade it was cleaned up and reestablished to be inhabited for this 'flesh' age.

And, there is to be yet another cleansing of this earth in the not so distant future. All 'evil' will be destroyed. Only the Creator has kept the perfect record and prerogative to 'judge' what is evil.

Literal science does not decide the outcome first and then seek to use the literal and available evidence to foster that conclusion. God is the ultimate scientist and there is no doubt He smirks at those who worship His creation instead of Him. Yeah, you can call that a 'judgment'. WE all, every soul/spirit intellect that passed through this flesh age will get to have their one on one, face to face accounting... yet future. The only advocate present with be the Redeemer Christ. And it does read that some will prefer to be destroyed from within because they have no natural love and affection of the Creator.

God was not impressed or snookered when He called upon the Adam for an accounting. I do not expect the excuse of, well, God that woman you gave me made me do it, will score any holy points. All this applies to me as much as anyone else.

I responded to your red flag notation of two different descriptions of creation.... I agreed with you they are different and should be read and being different. Really not a big deal given what has been discovered by the scientists regarding what story DNA tells about each individual flesh body.

173 posted on 08/07/2013 9:25:32 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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