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The presidential clause states:

[No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.]

Nowhere in the presidential clause does the term 'naturalized Citizen' exist, therefore former Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a dual citizen, is not eligible to be president. Since it is official that no naturalized Citizen is allowed to become president, it brings us back to Senator Ted Cruz.

If dual Citizen claiming Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada to one American parent and she had to naturalize in 1980 at age 21 to become a U.S. Citizen, that means Ted Cruz would have had to naturalize at some point too making him also ineligible to be president. The question is when?

1 posted on 07/21/2013 5:34:05 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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Cruz was a citizen at birth - period.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 5:36:18 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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3 posted on 07/21/2013 5:36:39 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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Here is the link to Gov. Jennifer Granholm’s biography

http://immigration.about.com/b/2009/01/14/immigrant-spotlight-gov-jennifer-granholm.htm

Granholm’s family moved to the U.S. when she was four years old. She grew up in California and became a naturalized U.S. citizen at the age of 21.

Here is the transcript of Granholm’s statements admitting to dual Citizenship to Chris Wallace. Scroll down half the page.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/21/transcript-fox-news-sunday-interview-future-gop/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529


4 posted on 07/21/2013 5:37:14 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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New Zealand born Tennessee Nana was naturalized in 1975...

YAAAAAAAAAA I’m eligible

:)


5 posted on 07/21/2013 5:37:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Ted Cruz was never naturalized. Under the conditions of his birth, he was a US citizen, natural born citizen.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 5:42:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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This is rasis.

Oh, wait a minute, wrong thread.


13 posted on 07/21/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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Sorry, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Cruz is was naturally born a US citizen

The difference between Cruz and Obama is that Obama gave up his citizenship and took foreign citizenship and, when college age, received benefits as a foreign student.

Cruz is a warrior for conservative American values, the constitution and is fighting the good fight against the current ruling elite which does not hold the same values.

Obama is trying to destroy American values, the American constitution and the nation itself.

Cruz will be a powerful candidate for President in 2016.


16 posted on 07/21/2013 5:47:03 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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My father was Canadian-born of US parents in residence. He was given a choice of citizenship age 16 after having moved back age 2. He has gone through life thinking he could never be president.


19 posted on 07/21/2013 5:49:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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The good ol’ U. S. of A. does not recognize ‘dual-citizenship’.

Granholm, you’re either an American or you aren’t, period.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 5:50:37 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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You haz a smell.


24 posted on 07/21/2013 5:58:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Lets see...non-citizen African father, underage American mother....Born? Kenya? Canada? Hawaii? Adopted by and became an Indonesian? I think you have a bigger target for your questions living in Washington.

Cruz is a Natural-born citizen. This has nothing to do with where you are born. Just like the children of military personnel and ambassadors the nationality of your parents determines your citizenship.


27 posted on 07/21/2013 5:59:52 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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Wasn’t McCain born in south America to two American citizens? Obviously, he was deemed eligible.


28 posted on 07/21/2013 6:00:16 PM PDT by marsh2
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Give it a rest will ya?

Granholm said quite plainly she has no plans to run for president.

This entire thread is a canard.


34 posted on 07/21/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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Legally, there is substantial room for debate on Cruz’s eligibility. Given that the conservatives most likely to support his politics are also most likely to interpret the eligibility clause narrowly, the questions on his status as a natural born citizen are a serious political issue and not just a legal/constitutional issue.

My vote will be decided based on my interpretation of the Constitution. I don’t consider Cruz eligible, so, even if it’s him or Hillary, I will not vote for Cruz. I’m certainly not alone in that position. Whether 2% of conservatives, or 10%, or 20% agree with me doesn’t matter. In any case it’s enough to throw the election. The GOP would be prudent to choose someone who is unambiguously eligible, such as a former governor born in Sandpoint, Idaho, to two United States citizen parents.


40 posted on 07/21/2013 6:10:46 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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1934


41 posted on 07/21/2013 6:10:56 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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"what difference at this point does it make"

Since every court in the land has found that there is nobody in America with "standing" to raise an objection, where's the beef?

42 posted on 07/21/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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I believe Cruz was registered at birth as an American citizen and was never registered as a Canadian. He did not have to be naturalized as he was a citizen of only the US.

When a baby is born of parents of two different countries, the parents may choose a single nationality or a double nationality for the baby. The baby is considered a “live birth” until the parents fill out the citizenship papers.

My grandson was born in England to an English mother and American father. The parents had a choice of making him only an American citizen or only a British citizen or a dual citizen. They chose for him to be a dual citizen and my son went to the American embassy that day and registered him as American. He has a full British passport and a full American passport. He does not have to be naturalized in either country as he is a full citizen. When he comes to the states, he uses his American passport and lines up with Americans to enter the country. If his mother comes, she has to get in the foreign country line. Certainly, a person with dual citizenship could not run for president or for prime minister in England. He would have to relinquish the citizenship of the other country in order to have full allegiance to the country where he wanted to hold office. If Britain has the same law we do about holding office, he would have to relinquish his American citizenship, then he could run for prime minister.

Until Cruz himself actually says in public that he was never a Canadian citizen, this will keep coming up. I read early on he was only an American citizen but no one will believe that until it is formally documented by him. If he had dual citizenship, he would have to drop his Canadian citizenship so his allegiance would be only to this country.

If his parents listed him only as Canadian and not American, then he would have to be naturalized later as an American when he came here, just like any person from another country could come here and go through the process to become a naturalized citizen.

I won’t get into that “natural born” citizenship argument. One of these days, Cruz will make a statement that will clear this up. I certainly believe he will tell the truth as truth seems to be a virtue he has. If he is a naturalized citizen, we lose the best candidate for president we could have.


43 posted on 07/21/2013 6:13:40 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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The act of naturalization or its date are irrelevant. A person either is or is not a natural born citizen at birth.


45 posted on 07/21/2013 6:14:17 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((S)
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Irrelevant, Cruz is a US Citizen. Now cut this crap out.


47 posted on 07/21/2013 6:15:36 PM PDT by bigbob
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My wife and I, both born in the US of A, were in Argentina when my daughter was born.

We filed a Consular Report of Birth Abroad - the notice of a US citizen born abroad with the US Embassy, and got a US passport for her as a baby to come into the states with.

She also had an Argentine birth certificate, identity card and passport, of course.

Since age 18 she has had the option of renouncing her Argentine citizenship and being a single national.

Were she to travel to Argentina, and were she to have been a male, she would have immediately been subject to conscription into the Argentine military, without performing said renunciation.

Even having a single parent who is a US citizen establishes US citizenship at birth.

BUT the natural born citizenship concept, taken to mean a US citizen at birth and with NO divided loyalty (e.g. both parents US citizens at the very least) has been pretty well demolished by recent events, it appears.

But a naturalized citizen, at least, who was not a citizen at birth, would be excluded from running for the presidency, it would seem.


49 posted on 07/21/2013 6:17:48 PM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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