Posted on 06/25/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
At 10:00 AM Wednesday, the Supreme Court will deliver its final decisions of this term. We can expect decisions on both same-sex marriage cases.
California Proposition 8: Hollingsworth v. Perry
In November 2008, 52.3 percent of California voters approved Proposition 8, which added language to the California Constitution that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In May 2009, a California District Court ruled that Proposition 8 violated the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment and temporarily prohibited its enforcement, and the Ninth Circuit agreed, affirming the District Courts ruling. The United States Supreme Court will now consider whether a state can define marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, in addition to considering whether the proponents of Proposition 8 have standing to bring suit in federal court. The Courts ruling will implicate the rights of gay men and lesbians, the role of the government in structuring family and society, and the relationship between the institution of marriage and religion and morality.
Defense of Marriage Act: United States v. Windsor
Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer married in Toronto in 2007 where same-sex marriages were legal. At the time of Spyers death, the state of New York recognized the couples marriage. However, the IRS denied Windsor use of a spousal estate tax exception on the ground that, under the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), the federal government did not recognize same-sex marriages for the purpose of federal benefits. The Supreme Court is now being asked to decide DOMAs Constitutionality. The Obama Administration is not defending DOMA, so a Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group (BLAG) from the House of Representatives is doing so, arguing that DOMA is rationally related to the legitimate government objective of providing a uniform definition of marriage for federal benefits purposes. The Obama administration counters that the use of sexual orientation to decide who gets benefits is a suspect classification that deserves higher scrutiny. Under that level of higher scrutiny, the Obama administration argues that DOMA is impermissible. This case can affect what role the federal government can play in defining marriage and who in the federal government can defend the governments laws. Not only could this case provide large tax savings to Ms. Windsor herself, but it can also make federal benefits available to other same-sex couples who are legally married under the laws of their state.
There ought to be a law.
You skipped my post entirely and went back to the fantasy role playing of pretending that marriage was suddenly going to become just whatever any body wants to call it with no law involved.
DONT WASTE TIME IGNORING ACTUAL POLITICS AND REAL LIFE AND CURRENT LEGISLATION AND ELECTIONS BY TRYING TO PRETEND THAT MARRIAGE WILL BE REMOVED FROM LAW AND GOVERNMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO OR 20 ANYWAY, THAT ARGUMENT DOESNT EXIST, IT NEVER HAS, AND QUIT PRETENDING THAT IT DOES.
“Maybe yes, maybe no. The only saving grace with illlegal hispanics in CA is that most of them are Roman Catholic”
It was basically the Mormans who came out in force against queer “marriage” in California. The Mormans have since caved the sodomite agenda, case in point being the Boy Scouts. If the definition of marriage is once again put on the California ballot it will pass with 75% of the vote.
The next state to fall will be Oregon. Washington already has. The only Western state that will not be taken over by the sodomites is Idaho. The illegal hispanics in California who are Catholic are a non-factor. Most would not vote and even if they did they do what Obama tells them to do. They like their foodstamps too much to go against Comrade Obama.
Wonder when the government is going to insist that ALL religious group comply with their decision, and allow anyone who wants to, to get married in church.
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Here's the live discussion threadm suitable for venting. This is a perfect example that with a rotten to the stinking core judiciary (on every level), there is no recourse. No peaceable one. If anyone has any good ideas for a peaceable recourse, let me know.
A very dark day. Words cannot express the depth of my disgust and loathing for Roberts. I can only hope now for something (whatever it/they might be) that will bring this monstrous evil to an end.
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Peoples personal choices (that do not interfere others personal choices) are personal and spiritual issues and are solved at that level. They are not political or judicial issues, IMO.
I beg you. Please stop calling other FReepers satanic. The Almighty Father, in his infinite wisdom, gave us free will. While we may disagree with Libertarians on gay marriage on religious grounds, they do support the concept of an individual’s free will. If an individual chooses homosexuality, that is between him and God. As believers we are instructed to judge other believers not those “of this world.” There is but one judge and He will judge the world.
<....”saying this decision is bad because of what some ‘sky pixie’ will think is somehow the opposite of ignorance”....>
Why are you here if you see God as a ‘ski pixie’? The founder of this site makes it clear otherwise:
“We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism,...’ homosexualism;’... racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.
Our GOD-given liberty and freedoms are ‘not negotiable’.
May GOD bless and protect our men and women in uniform fighting for our freedom and may GOD continue to bless America.”
Jim Robinson
“Wonder when the government is going to insist that ALL religious group comply with their decision, and allow anyone who wants to, to get married in church.”
That would be right after they abuse the full faith and credit clause to force homo marriage into states that have banned it.
And I thought you were up all night cleaning. :)
Hey idiot, the governemnt just DID define “personal relationships”! THe people voted - NO on homo “marriage” and the government said “You must have same sex marriage, even if the majority of the people voting in the state of CA said NO”!
This is the very jack booted thug tyranny you claim you are opposed to.
Does that freedom include the freedom to choose polygamy?
Yes, and children they don't give a rip about, unless they can dress them up in leather and chains to parade them around (see Folsom Street Fair).
"They lean on anything and everything that will avoid saying what the truth is that this is about legalizing their despicable sexual acts..and thats all it is. "
Exactly.
Won't be the first time the Church has had to go undergroud. We will eventually win,but it is sure dark out there right now.
The free people (”free”????) VOTED ATAINST same sex marriage, fool.
One faggot judge told them they had to swallow it in CA, and now one (DELETED BAD WORDS) Judge Roberts told them the same thing.
Your support of homosexual perversion is duly noted.
Thats like saying the feds should not tax income. One can argue these things all they want but it is pissing in the wind. Marriage status affects taxes and thus it IS a fed and state issue whether we like it or not.
God help us. The world has gone mad.
Why did Scalia vote against DOMA? I do not get it. I also cannot speak/understand legalese.
No, it's because people as yourself, with twisted thinking, infiltrated the party by wearing the mask of conservatism.
That post made no sense at all.
While your current fight is against marriage, today, now, your arguments seem to be about some fantasy world, in some sci-fi future or something.
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