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Is Government Regulation of Gardens Next?
Political Outcast ^ | May 11, 2013 | Dave Jolly

Posted on 05/12/2013 5:00:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How many of you have flower or vegetable gardens at your home? I know many people are growing their own herbs to use for cooking as well as indoor and outdoor vegetable gardens. Others have flowers in pots, window boxes, hanging baskets, in flower beds and outdoor gardens.

My wife and I have a number of vegetables and fruit growing outside which include apples (2 varieties), beans (purple and wax), broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cantaloupes, carrots, cherries, cucumbers (bush), grapes (5 varieties), onions (red), peas (green and snap), potatoes (3 varieties), sage, radishes, tomatoes (6 varieties), and watermelons (3 varieties). We also have about 70 different daylilies, along with some crocuses, tulips, marigolds and zinnias. If you can’t tell, my wife and I love to garden.

If America follows the ways of the Great Britain and the European Commission, my wife and I could be guilty of producing and cultivating illegal seeds.

I’ve learned over the years to watch what is happening in Great Britain and the European Commission because the US tends to follow them by 5-20 years depending. A couple of decades ago, I saw hundreds of churches in Great Britain close their doors because attendance had dropped off so much. The number of British identifying themselves as Christians also dropped significantly.

Look at America today. Church after church is closing their doors because of dwindling numbers. Church buildings are being sold and turned into bars, restaurants, apartments, homes and even mosques. The number of Americans identifying themselves as Christians is dropping and they have lost control of the nation.

Following this trend, I saw where a new law is being proposed by the European Union to register and regulate all plant seeds and vegetables used by anyone from farmers to a single flower pot. The Plant Reproductive Material Law will require all seeds to be tested, approved and accepted by the newly formed EU Plant Variety Agency. You can read the current copy of the proposed bill here.

Anyone who grows plants from non-regulated seeds would be guilty of committing a criminal act. I’ve collected seeds from the vegetables and flowers I’ve grown and have cultivated them. Under the proposed EU bill, I would be guilty of a crime for doing so, if it were to eventually come here to the States. I also know a family who has a business of raising and selling different varieties of daylilies. They work to cross pollinate different ones to produce new varieties and colors of these beautiful flowers. That too would be a crime unless they had a government inspector come in and test their new seeds and plants and then register them.

If you thought the idea of registering guns was absurd, can you image a government that wants to register and regulate all plants and seeds? If you think it would never happen here, let me remind you that Obama has taken control of healthcare, student loans, and is trying to control firearms, education, banking, religion and even our speech. Michelle Obama and Michael Bloomberg have been trying to regulate our diets and eating habits. Doesn’t it make sense that plant and seed control is next? We’re losing so many of our freedoms, that it wouldn’t surprise me to see us lose the freedom to plant a garden next. Remember, what happens across the Big Pond, generally makes its way here eventually!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
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To: Carry_Okie
“Never underestimate the power of drones with high resolution cameras, vision systems, and GIS data (Geographic Information System).”

My Texas county has a drone, the first county in Texas to get one - it was big news when this happened.

My townhouse is not far from the sheriff's office who has this drone. If the drone comes over my house looking for veggie plants, I'm busted. Each townhouse has a small garden area. Six of those are larger than the rest and mine is one of those. A drone over my house will see the smaller garden area of the house on either side of me and they are completely bare - nothing is there, nothing, except some rocks.

With nothing on either side of me in those gardens, mine stands out like an oasis in the middle of the desert. Full of green plants in the actual dirt area and green plants in containers all over the large deck.

All the plants are heirlooms except two types of tomatoes (one type is heirloom), so I'll have seeds from those from now on to plant, so the cops would have to rip all the plants up and carry away those in containers in order to get rid of future seeds.

From the outside on the ground, no one can see into my garden as there are high walls. A drone, however, would take lovely pictures of food plants all over my garden.

The sheriff who has the drone and all the deputies are Republicans as about 98% of this county is Republican. That, plus the fact this is Texas, might save my food plants if this particular evil came about in the country.

At this point, the future of the country is in jeopardy on many fronts. I'd rather be in Texas than any where else now as the country crumbles.

61 posted on 05/13/2013 9:02:08 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Black Agnes
Lidice was a couple of hundred. Waco was less than 100. The full might of the respective governments was focused very narrowly.

Compare and contrast with a very large country with literallly millions of gardeners. People will die before it happens in America.

Besides, as I pointed out, the government can't get rid of ditch weed (marijuana).

Don't ascribe more power to the government than they have. Take heart, we outnumber the guards thousands to 1.

/johnny

62 posted on 05/13/2013 9:34:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I disagree. Respectfully.

People will pull up their gardens themselves. When the smart meters cut off or the banking funds are frozen. Can be done with a click of the mouse button. By someone thousands of miles away. Selectively.

The Lidice and Waco badguys had to show up in person. Technology has rendered that paradigm unimportant. Get the gardeners hot enough or cold enough with no electricity, the gardens will magically disappear. The few truly off the grid ones can be handled in person.


63 posted on 05/13/2013 9:50:58 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
I've done logistics. I know what the government can and can't do.

The only way the government could get away with that, is if people go in feeling overwhelmed and defeated, which you tend to advocate, and don't fight back.

As I said, we outnumber the guards thousands to 1.

/johnny

64 posted on 05/13/2013 9:59:03 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If I’m defeatist it’s because the people haven’t fought back against anything this government has ever done.

Name one substantive instance and I’ll be more optimistic. I promise.


65 posted on 05/13/2013 11:05:49 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
People are openly disregarding laws all the time. See Detroit. Government isn't the one in control there.

/johnny

66 posted on 05/13/2013 11:13:35 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

See IRS.

You’re making a bet they will ignore you. Sometimes that works out. Sometimes not.

Germany was pretty effective at rounding up all the Jews. (Hitler Hitler Hitler, I win ;) )


67 posted on 05/13/2013 11:15:54 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
If he rounded up all the Jews, there wouldn't be a state of Israel today.

Yes, mostly, I'm betting that I get ignored, because so many are. There may be a price to pay for it. I'm willing to pay that price.

I believe the only moral way to deal with stupid laws is to openly defy them, and replace those that put the law into place.

I do notice that open defiance of stupidity is much more common down here in the South, than on the East and Left coasts.

/johnny

68 posted on 05/13/2013 11:20:10 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have to agree with that last statement. My grandfather was one of the biggest bootleggers around these parts. Never did get caught.

I suspect there were some VERY well paid local officials though. This being the south and all.


69 posted on 05/13/2013 11:30:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kartographer

May be of interest ping.


70 posted on 05/13/2013 11:33:46 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: greeneyes
"In Missouri, you can buy all the raw milk you want as long as you visit the farm, and buy directly from an individual."

Really! Wow, that's GREAT!

Pasteurization breaks down all of the enzymes and most of the vitamins needed to digest the milk. That's why store bought milk needs to be fortified. Homogenization breaks the fat down to such small particles that it bypasses the digestive process and goes right into the blood stream. It's like injecting Elmer's Glue into your veins.

I worked on many dairy farms and the way I processed the cows and cleaned the utensils, we had significantly lower bacteria counts than store bought, pasteurized, homogenized milk. The raw milk tasted like a super-rich milk shake.

I'm so glad our guberment saves us from this pestilence of healthy, unadulterated food.

71 posted on 05/13/2013 12:07:43 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

I think that the milk I used to buy in the old days from the grocery store was maybe a little better than today. It was in glass jars and had about 2 inches of cream at the top of the jug.

I used to skim off the cream and make my own butter, and sometimes a little whipped cream.

I use the fresh stuff for cooking, so I don’t see any need for all that pasturezation and homogenization anyway. When I was a kid, my grandparents had a small dairy herd, and I used to help with the milking.

We always kept a pitcher of milk everyday to drink. In the spring, it always tasted like onions. As long as you take good care of your cows, and have them tested, it’s okay to drink the milk, but I am hesitant unless I know the people really well to drink it unpasturized.


72 posted on 05/13/2013 4:07:22 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

Do you have a smart meter? They’ll just turn off your power and wait. In August when it’s 100 degrees, you’ll be pulling up your garden yourself. They won’t have to come within miles of your house.

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Doubt it. I didn’t use my airconditioner last year. I did have a fan. I have been saving some money and soon will have a fan that runs on batteries and ability to recharge batteries with solar power.

Also have the schematics for producing and storing electricity using a bicycle. I read just the other day where some student has designed a fan that can be charged by hand cranking, and is maybe going to be producing these. Course you could always take an extended shopping trip to the nearest store with air conditioning.

Any way besides all that, here’s what we did in the country when I was a kid. Dunk your head in water. Take a small towel and dip it in water. Put the towel around your neck. Evaporation helps to cool you off.

Find the shade or a porch with a roof and a swing. If there is no breeze, sit down on the swing and let the breeze help cool you off. If no swing, a paper fan held in the hand helps.

People have lived for thousands of years without airconditioning or electricity. It’s really really nice, but you don’t have to have it. Food - that’s a necessity and I intend to garden till I die.


73 posted on 05/13/2013 4:29:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

People have been hiding marijuana in regular gardens for a while- the trend will reverse, people will have to hide their tomatoes and squash in the marijuana patch.


74 posted on 05/13/2013 4:32:06 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: greeneyes

It’s convenient if your house is ‘built’ for hot weather. Most now aren’t.

I lived for 2 summers, in Mississippi, with no ac. Not even in my car. Couldn’t afford it. This in an apartment building built in the 1980’s. During a multi day 100+ spell the coolest it got in my bedroom at night was 82.

But I had a fan. And running water. And a fridge for cold drinks.

Now, imagine no lights or cooking capacity. Not even a fan. Or fresh water. They’ll cut that off too. Most people don’t have wells.

They don’t have to risk venturing to your house. You might be armed. Your neighbors might have cellphone video of the event. They’ll either cook you out or freeze you out. Or just ‘drought’ you out.

Ability to persecute political enemies is one of the reasons for the smart meters. a few clicks of a mouse somewhere hundreds of miles away and you’re back in the stone age.


75 posted on 05/13/2013 4:37:06 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Been there and done that. Survived just fine. They will have to come to my house.

I am on a well and septic. Hubby knows how to wire the pump to the generator for water. I have a basement that stays a lot cooler than the outdoors in summer, and warmer in winter.

We have adequate camping gear and fuel for cooking. We also have 2 fireplaces and lots of wood already cut as well as plenty of trees to cut in the future. Not to mention the outdoor fire pit. Also planning on a building a brick rocket stove for cooking outdoors with out heating up the kitchen. May even go back to an outdoor propane BBQ grill. Already have one for charcoal and plenty of charcoal stored.

People in the city may have a problem. Lots of the people in the country won’t have those issues. They’ll have to visit us, or have a long long wait, cause this Ozark Hillbilly intends to cling to her religion and garden, and sll other self sufficiency she can muster.


76 posted on 05/13/2013 4:50:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

sll = all


77 posted on 05/13/2013 4:52:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

I remember one really hot summer in the country with my grand parents sometime in the 1950s. They lived in a really old house. Propane stove and wood stove.

No well, and no indoor facilities. No airconditioning. House got so hot, that the fan didn’t help that much at night. We took the bed outside and slept under the stars just fine.


78 posted on 05/13/2013 4:55:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I’ve got my grandmothers wood cookstove. This year’s finance project is buying the chimney for it. Going to put it in my living/dining room near the kitchen. Use it for heat in the winter. And cooking if we have an ice storm or other power outage.

Wells are $7K+ in this area. That’s way out of our league for a very very long time.


79 posted on 05/13/2013 5:37:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes
I remember living in Michigan's UP having glass bottles of milk delivered on the front porch. I also remember dropping one on the kitchen floor and it exploding over the expanse. I didn't "get get a lickin" - so happy.

"We always kept a pitcher of milk everyday to drink. In the spring, it always tasted like onions."

The cows probably ate dandilions. Just a guess.

"As long as you take good care of your cows, and have them tested, it’s okay to drink the milk, but I am hesitant unless I know the people really well to drink it unpasturized."

VERY true. I had complete control of the milking production (while making a whopping $2/hr), so I knew exactly what I was ingesting. I knew a few dairy farmers who had the same level of quality. But, there were some who didn't know how to run a Grade A process.

So I totally believe milk output needs to be tested every time. But, government doesn't need to mandate ALL milk must be pasteurized - let the distributors test bacteria like they did with EVERY shipment from every dairy farm I worked on back in the day. Raw is SO much more healthy - if it's safe.

80 posted on 05/13/2013 7:01:11 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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