Posted on 05/09/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by MosesKnows
I know what that means to me but I am confused about what it means to others. The point of this post is to learn what being a Tea Party Patriot means to other Tea Party Patriots. I doubt I will learn anything that would alter what I believe but I can’t know until it is learned.
Declaring I am a Tea Party Patriot means I favor a constitutional government. No more and no less. I accept the Constitution as the proper amount of government.
My believe is that the founder’s wisdom created a government with powers limited by the people to only those necessary to protect the people’s rights.
The words in the Constitution provide my legal right to demand a constitutional government and to demand the President, The House of Representatives, The Senate, The Supreme Court, Military Officers, and enlisted Military honor their oath to the Constitution.
Many violations of the Constitution already exist but no words changed to make unconstitutional legislation passed by Congress constitutional. I am within my legal rights to demand that my representatives in government abide by their oath to uphold the words in the Constitution.
The will of the people is a democracy. Our founders went to great lengths to ensure that we would never become a democracy.
The word Democracy comes from two Greek words, Demos meaning People and Kratein meaning to Rule. Democracy therefore means the rule of the people, majority rule.
Much of what you posted is correct but if there were not problems, we would not be having this discourse. The mission is not to discover what is wrong but to concentrate on what would cause improvement. A constitutional government would began the needed improvement and prove more of a benefit than any short-term correction.
There is but one place we can all seek refuge and that is the Constitution. The Constitution is the nation’s salvation.
The Democrat and Republican Political Parties are merely two cheeks of the same ass. What I am suggesting is that a Democrat President and a Democrat Congress acting within the constraints the Constitution is tolerable.
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Good stuff...unless you have a laptop without a “numpad”. :) maybe if I ever get a new one.....
“Ain’t nobody got time fo dat!”
To each.....his own. ;-)
I keep a little piece of paper with all of those special characters taped to my keyboard. ;-)
“maybe if I ever get a new one.....”
The prices of laptops are dropping almost daily. Some vendors will even take trade-ins.
Smart, dude. I should make a copy of your post. Otherwise it’ll be lost forever soon! :)
It’s because people hate Win 8, which btw, my DIL’s brother helped develop for Microsoft.
The 17th Amendment destroyed vertical separation of powers, along with the States' check on the wild whims of the people's House. The Senate of the States was replaced with an additional body totally dependent on the people, only worse. Elected Senators have six year terms, which our Framers would regard as an outrage, dangerous to liberty, AND serve a duplicative, unnecessary purpose.
Restoration of our liberties is impossible until the 17th is repealed.
“It’s because people hate Win 8, which btw, my DIL’s brother helped develop for Microsoft.”
There are already freeware tweaks that make Win8 look, feel and act like WinXP/Win7.
Also, if anyone I know ‘helped develop’ Win8 I definitely would not go around bragging about it! I would hold those cards VERY close to the vest! LOL
I’m sure he’s not. LOL!
I agree that repeal of the 17th amendment would be a step in the right direction. However, I don't think it is the deal breaker you suggest.
Another amendment is the only way to repeal any amendment. Therefore gaining a constitutional government would seem the first step toward repealing the 17th amendment.
With every unconstitutional act coming out of DC, I ask myself if it would have occurred if the States ran the Senate.
For instance, so much of our society has been harmed by Scotus. Would a Senate of the States consent to judges with a history, a written trail of hostility to the 10th Amendment? No way.
Listen, the fact is we are already a social democracy. There is no way that were going to turn back hundred years of social change in order to invent some sort of constitutional republic that we were founded on.
I understand what the founders intended. I also understand that we are so far from what the founders intended that there’s really no way to turn back without completely scraping the platform of all problems and starting from scratch. Unfortunately, that’s going to require revolution in a big way.
The problem isn’t, as you propose, that the politicians are acting in accordance with the Constitution. The problem is that they are acting outside of the Constitution.
I do not dispute the merit of repealing the 17th amendment but I also must face the reality. The reality is that in order to repeal the 17th amendment 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states must agree.
I don’t see a path to that goal without a constitutional government. You have the legal right to demand that your representatives only legislate within the powers granted Congress in the Constitution.
If we are to peacefully save what remains of our freedoms and regain what we lost, it is time for the States to call an Article V Constitutional Convention. If Congress does not head it off on its own to consider a single amendment, repeal of the 17th, we have little to lose. Our consolidated government ignores our unalienable rights, separation of powers and is arming itself to put down mass confrontation. If Congress ignores the threat and the States convene a convention, we risk no more than where we are already headed, a tyrannical government of unlimited powers bent on creating a perfect social justice Utopian hell.
The Framers gave us peaceful means to save our society and lives; let’s use them before stupidly watering the tree. More than half of the States opposed Obamacare. Resistance is in the air. Together, with the help of God, we just might save these United States.
That is certainly true. The problem is the lack of power, an enforcement mechanism. A Senate of the States used to provide that.
Today, we might as well howl at the moon. Once the States were booted from the Senate a hundred years ago, there was no structural means to limit the national government to enumerated powers or protect the Bill of Rights. James Madison correctly called Bills of Rights “parchment barriers” that were only as effective as the means to enforce them.
Consider the 1st Amendment. Freedom of the press is near sacrosanct. It is, not because the 1st Amendment says so; it is enforced because politicians know they will be abused in the press if they ever try to seriously impinge it.
With the 17th Amendment, the Framer's vertical separation of powers was removed and STRUCTURALLY made enforcement of enumerated powers, the Bill of Rights, and especially the 10th amendment an impossibility.
Absent State participation in the Senate, there is zero chance we will return to Constitutional freedoms.
The reason we strive to achieve constitutional government is that we don’t have it now. A government constrained to only legislating within their granted powers would not breed a social democracy.
in order to invent some sort of constitutional republic
We do not need to invent a constitutional Republic; the founders invented it for us by guaranteeing to every state in the Union a Republican Form of Government.
Article 4, Section 4 - The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
Your representatives took an oath to uphold the guarantee of a Republican Form of Government and you have the legal as well as the moral right to demand they honor their oath.
The problem isn’t, as you propose, that the politicians are acting in accordance with the Constitution.
The problem I proposed is that politicians are not acting in accordance with the Constitution hence my desire for a constitutional government.
what the founders intended
That is the point. The Constitution contains what the founders intended for us. The corrupted and corruptible have subverted what the founders intended but they did not take the step of amending the words. The words remain and you have the right to demand that the words be followed.
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