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1 posted on 05/06/2013 7:24:42 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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“Security checkpoints, background checks and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print their own plastic firearms at home....

Well, we'll make it illegal to do so....that'll stop them!......

2 posted on 05/06/2013 7:27:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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“Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage,” Schumer said. “It must be stopped.”

Not just anyone. It has to be someone with enough cash to buy a 3D printer and the program to print the “The Liberator”.

3 posted on 05/06/2013 7:29:34 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Der Reichsfuhrer Schumer needs to lighten up.


4 posted on 05/06/2013 7:30:20 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Now anyone, a terrorist, someone who is mentally ill, a spousal abuser, a felon, can essentially open a gun factory in their garage,” Schumer said.

Duuuuhhhhhh, I guess anyone who can buy a pressure cooker can also start a bomb factory in their own garage too chucky boy...

Heck anyone with enough skill to use a 3d printer can ALSO build their own gun using off the shelf parts ANYWAYS!!!

A shopping trip to home despot can get you plenty of parts to build one...


5 posted on 05/06/2013 7:31:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Seizethecarp

When I look at this I think of how mush faster the Soviet Union could have fallen with a device like this, or how dangerous it is to be a tyrant now.


10 posted on 05/06/2013 7:47:59 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Seizethecarp

Any plastic part of that gun except the spring can be made from a piece of hard, dense Oak wood.


11 posted on 05/06/2013 7:51:00 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/458310/the-legendary-gunsmiths-of-darra-adam-khel/


13 posted on 05/06/2013 7:59:46 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Little Chuckie Schumer is an amazingly lucky public official; he’s never had to contend with a shortage of things about which to wee himself.


14 posted on 05/06/2013 8:06:47 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Seizethecarp
Had to check if this was from the Onion. What a fool. Undetectable firearms are already illegal, so what does he propose to do? Make them double-secret SUPER DUPER illegal?

I think what he really objects to but knows he'd get little public support for legislating against, is the distribution of power that requires that government edicts about gun manufacture be willingly obeyed. That's a good check on tyranny; when compliance by definition must be voluntary it prevents them from being able to pass laws more restrictive than the public at large feels are justified. They can't be unilaterally dictatorial tyrants. As a tyrant, this is a stomach-churning prospect for him.

15 posted on 05/06/2013 8:08:43 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Guns can be made from practically any tube of sufficient thickness. All you need is something to burn inside a tube with a projectile in front of it. Will Chuckie Schmuckie attempt to ban creativity?

Paper Mache prison gun made from newspaper, spit and rubberband:

Shotgun made from bedframe and matchheads.

Homemade belt-fed machine gun. Shoots 420 RPM

16 posted on 05/06/2013 8:09:00 AM PDT by varyouga
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Dear Schmuk, you keep your whiney bans, I’ll keep my rights, liberty, & freedom!


18 posted on 05/06/2013 8:11:03 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Mind!)
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I posted the picture of this gun several days ago.

Last night I was trolling around the net and found the auction description to go with the picture.

Hans Jacob Honaker was my great great great great grandfather. He made this gun in a mountain hollow, just like most of the rifles used in The Revolution were made.

They cannot disarm us if we refuse to be disarmed!

Where it says "swapped" it should say swamped. A swamped barrel is filed so it is bigger on the ends than in the middle. It improves balance and adds strength at the breech.

Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug http://www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?ItemId=107047 .55 cal. smoothbore, 45" swapped octagonal brass barrel, steel tang. Iron rear sight, brass front blade sight. Engraved flat-style lockplate, with flat cock, faceted-style pan, frizzen spring with finial. 2.25" wide brass buttplate, brass sideplate, brass two-piece patchbox, brass triggerguard, brass ramrod thimbles and nosecap. Maple stock with raised carving behind the cheek piece, behind the tang, and a border around the lock ending in the rear with a tear drop. Carved border on the bottom of stock running from buttplate to triggerguard on both sides. Carved border outlining the butt plate. Nice border carved on both sides of the comb of stock. Nice carved molding running from the rear ramrod molding running down past the front thimble. This rifle is one of the most important American long rifles known. Its prominent feature is the American-made long tapered and flared brass barrel. It is dated 1771 near the breech on the bottom of the barrel and has Do (short for "Anno Domini" 1771 engraved inside the box lid. It is the earliest known dated American long rifle with a hinged box, and is the second oldest dated American long rifle. The earliest dated long rifle is signed by John Schrite of Reading, Pennsylvania; it has a Germanic style sliding wood box cover. A dated 1771 Pennsylvania side-opening detached box (probably excavated) is in a private collection. While much has been written regarding the hinged box (called "patch box" after 1790) being developed by 1750, the 1771 brass barrel rifle is the earliest survivor. In addition to its date and extraordinary brass barrel, the architecture of the stock is the strongest Germanic example known to have been made in America. The massive long cheek rest is strongly molded on its edge with a convex section followed by concave molding. The back of the cheek rest ends with a graceful covered step down that terminates with a convex molding running perpendicular to the cheek piece molding. From this molding another curved step blends smoothly into the buttstock. At the wrist, the cheek rest terminates with a flowing serpentine step in concert with the serpentine relief line that forms the transition of the comb and wrist. The only other example of this complex architecture is a somewhat later (ca 1775) iron barrel rifle from the same shop. (See Shumway, Rifled of Colonial America Vol. II, 1980: fig 145, pp.610 and 616.) The cheek-rest of this brass barrel is convex and the overall nature of the buttstock has the bulbous qualities of the baroque style of the late 17th century. Hans Jacob Honaker, like the vast majority of immigrant gunsmiths, came from a provincial area where the style tended to be old fashioned. The relief carving behind the cheek piece is a simple baroque scroll interrupted by the first cheek rest step. This interruption of the carved design leaves the voluted scroll to be connected by the eye of the viewer. The ending of the scroll has a small rosette with clusters of simple leaves. The high-relief buttstock molding is incised with a front-to-back serpentine line with sprigs ending in circular grains. This "vine and berry" design also runs backward along the top edge of the edge of the cheek rest, travels gracefully down the stepped edge of the cheek rest, and ends in the corner of the brass butt-piece. This termination has two leaves pointing inward with a berry in the center. The relief molding of the breech stock terminates at the rear of the trigger guard return. At the end of the step a narrow relief molding continues past the triggerguard finial termination with a chip border and small leaves. The breech pin tang carving is also closely related with a three-leaf termination. The wrist carving terminates with a cluster of three leaves when it meets the incise-carved border that surrounds the brass box arched finial. A chip border follows the brass butt-piece along its back and front to the butt-piece top extension. The chipped borders are connected by an incised line that parallels the top extension on both sides of the butt-piece. These combined borders completely surround the butt-piece. All of the carving is beautifully integrated with the complexly shaped stock. The stock architecture suggest that Hans Jacob Honaker was trained in gun stocking in Switzerland. The carved decorations are more aligned with American backcountry long rifle art -- baroque design combined with folk art qualities. This combination of architecture and carved decoration like this brass hinged box and brass barrel makes an outstanding American frontier statement from 1771. Like many early American rifle guns, the brass barrel was bored smooth in its latest stage of active use. Fortunately, in this conversion to shot gun the remnants of the hind sight survived, revealing that it was originally a folding leaf long-range type. This leaf sight is matched by only one other 18th Century American example. A rifle of ca 1775 from Shenandoah County, Virginia, has an intact leaf sight and it also shares some carved and architectural features with the brass barrel rifle. The exceptionally large and boldly sculptured triggerguard is unique to the Hans Jacob Honaker Shop, which was the first to develop a strong regional type that extended throughout southwest Virginia and Tennessee in the late 18th and early 19th century. The guard stud was fitted with a sling swivel, and the middle barrel loop is thicker than the others to retain the forward sling swivel. The front of the guard bow has a deep wear groove from the swivel hitting, showing the rifle was carried hundreds of miles without a sling attached. The imported Germanic lock has remained in its original flint lock form, although the cock was replaced (ca 1789, English origin) during its active use. Since the rifle was used in the late 18th century with this cock, it has been retained as an important part of the rifle's history. The overall age of this brass barrel rifle is evident in the shrinkage of the curly maple breech stock. The butt-piece now extends well beyond the toe and shrinkage stress cracks penetrate the relief carving behind the cheek rest. The witness of the mismatch of the relief buttstock molding is obvious on the lower edge of the toe of the brass butt-piece. On the box side the shrinkage has eliminated part of the incise-carved molding next to the door on the toe side. The deep black patina highlighted by wear is another important record of the rifle's age. This rifle is a singular bench mark of backcountry production, reflecting the dynamic cultural amalgam of the American frontier. ATTRIBUTION: The attribution of the brass barrel rifle to Hans Jacob Honaker is based on artistic and structural details found on rifles made by his sons and grandsons. They have a common architecture of the breech stock that has a prominent "step toe" or "step wrist." The step ends at the rear extension of the guard; the profile of the toe is straight from there to the butt-piece. The comb profile of these stocks typically is a moderate "Roman nose" profile, although occasionally makers used an almost straight line. A very unusual structural feature that occurs constantly throughout the group is the breech pin tang held with a wood screw rather than a draw screw that enters the trigger plate. The two earliest rifles in the group, (i.e., this brass rifle of 1771 and the iron barrel example, ca 1775) both have their first barrel retaining pins placed in front of the end of the fore stock, offset in the fore end adjacent to rear thimble. Other Shenandoah rifles of the early period also have this unusual placement. This forward placement of the first barrel retaining pin is not a feature found on Pennsylvania long rifles. In the Valley of Virginia, including in the products of the early gunsmiths of the Honaker family, the long pin placement does not extend into the post-Revolutionary Federal period. The placement is moved back closer to the breech between the locks and the tail piece (called "rear ramrod thimble" in modern times.) While the brass barrel rifle has a single trigger, it is important that Hans Jacob Honaker's sons and grandchildren made set triggers of a distinct type associated with Germanic wheel-lock guns. They have springs held by a single screw that is mounted in the front of the trigger plate. All three Honaker family rifles offered here have set triggers of this structure that is exclusively a Honaker or a Honaker-associated feature. At this writing no other makers in American backcountry are known to have used this type. PROVENANCE: Jerry Woodward, a western Pennsylvania longrifle collector, found this rifle in a Florida flea market in the spring of 1969. It had a large sale tag marked "Spanish Gun," but Jerry, an experienced collector, immediately recognized its early style and American origins. Shortly after the discovery Woodward sold it to Dallas C. Ewing of Pennsylvania. Ewing sold it to Wester A. White of Freeville, New York, a well recognized collector and researcher of early rifles and guns. Within a few months of its discovery White traded it to Joe Kindig, Jr. of York, Pennsylvania, for an important Indian trade gun by Bumford of, London (now in the collections of the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation). Kindig, the author of "Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle in its Golden Age" (1960) was the preeminent dealer in American and European arms, and one of the country's most distinguished dealers of American furniture and Pennsylvania folk art. Within a few weeks Kindig employed Wallace Gusler, master gunsmith at Colonial Williamsburg, to restore the brass barrel and lost fore stock. [See report and Kindig letters]. On its arrival in Williamsburg, Gusler called two gun shop colleagues to see this exceptional find. Gusler and Gary Brumfield examined the interior of the box under a household lamp. Rod Moore, sitting on the sofa next to the light observed, "Looks like some writing on the inside of the door." Closer examination and removal of dirt and grease revealed the engraved inscription Do 1771. Later examination uncovered a scratched 1771 near the breech on the bottom of the barrel.

26 posted on 05/06/2013 8:48:21 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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What a fool. Only the lower receiver would be made of plastic. The remainder of the rifle, the upper receiver, bolt, the barrel, and all the internals to the lower are still steel and easily detectable.


27 posted on 05/06/2013 8:50:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Seizethecarp; AFPhys; AD from SpringBay; ADemocratNoMore; aimhigh; AnalogReigns; archy; ...
3-D Printer Ping!

See also duplicate thread here

38 posted on 05/06/2013 11:19:17 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: Seizethecarp
“Security checkpoints, background checks and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print their own plastic firearms at home and bring those firearms through metal detectors with no one the wiser,”

Apparently with plastic cartridges as well.

43 posted on 05/06/2013 1:27:10 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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plastic firearms

That was the same wailful cry when the first thermoplastic glocks came out. They'd be invisibile to airport x-ray machines............LOL!

As a side note, a few years ago when I lost my job, I applied for employment with the TSA. I went thru a battery of tests, one of which was to view photos of typical luggage x-rays and try to identify specific test mandated items.

Outlines of literally everything you store in your carry on luggage is revealed in those x-rays, not just metal objects........

45 posted on 05/06/2013 2:10:01 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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The Liberator may look like a toy, but “this gun can fire regular bullets,” Schumer said, calling for legislation outlawing the technology’s weapons potential

Too late! The Liberator cost less than $2.00 to build using the stamped-metal technology of the early 1940s [Guide Lamp division of General Motors of Anderson, Indiana was the prime contractor] and with today's plastics technology....


46 posted on 05/06/2013 2:17:12 PM PDT by archy
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Remember, communist countries are fond of banning printers, copiers, faxes, etc.


47 posted on 05/06/2013 4:41:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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Well guess what Mr. Schumer..? YOU TURN MY STOMACH.


53 posted on 05/07/2013 6:59:54 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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