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Troubled South Africa Debates Impact of White Rule
AP ^ | April 12, 2013 | CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA

Posted on 04/13/2013 12:29:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Few South Africans have the moral stature of retired archbishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who campaigned against apartheid and now laments the crime and inequality that plague the nation two decades after it cast off racist white rule.

"We can't pretend we have remained at the same heights and that's why I say please, for goodness' sake, recover the spirit that made us great," Tutu said. "Very simply, we are aware we've become one of the most violent societies. It's not what we were, even under apartheid."

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KEYWORDS: desmondtutu; nelsonmandela; southafrica; winniemandela
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Under Apartheid Soith Afreeka was a safe and peaceful country.

Under Apartheid, South Africa was a country where the vast majority of the population had virtually no legal rights. It was a situation that could not stand and didn't.

That vast majority which had no rights was also uneducated due to the admittedly racist white minority that ran the place. Now, that uneducated majority votes in, year after year, the corrupt ANC which promises a life for all which cannot be delivered.

I've known some South African whites -- delightful people in the main -- but they created this monstrosity. I doubt South Africa will ever find peace.

61 posted on 04/13/2013 4:26:50 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The economy is not a pie, but a bakery.)
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To: Blue Ink

I don’t want the US to run it, and I don’t want the US to pay for it either. Ever since Coleman Young ran whites out of Detroit-explicitly-blacks have run that city. Now they want YT to send more taxpayers’ hard-earned money to support it, but no YTs to have a say in how that money is spent. Same with Birmingham, New Orleans (the “Chocolate City”), Atlanta, and on. YT is to have no representation, just the taxation. Atlanta even pitched a fit when whites fled to create Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, etc-slapped a lawsuit on the hosts for being so bold as to escape the parasites-thankfully lost it. YT can go die, as long as we leave the fruits of our labor behind. Nope, you (rhetorical you) want all the say, you can pay for it too.


62 posted on 04/13/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: BfloGuy

Ah yes....the good 'ole days..

63 posted on 04/13/2013 5:13:10 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bahamas not exactly well run. High violent crime rate, low paying unskilled jobs, poverty rampant. It isn’t all like Atlantis Hotel

Barbados is better run...higher standard of living...and is 90% black. Unlike most of black-run British Commonwealth nations....Barbados has not gone full anti-white...and kept many British customs...even called “Little England”


64 posted on 04/13/2013 5:23:38 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: BfloGuy
They're so much better off now.

Since you obviously believe that blacks are inferior.

65 posted on 04/13/2013 5:39:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: mrsmel

“I don’t want the US to run it”

Neither do I. And we don’t have a shameful bloody history of trying to. European countries and China should butt out of Africa and let them run it themselves.


66 posted on 04/13/2013 5:57:49 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: RightOnline
Somalia. It's paradise.
67 posted on 04/13/2013 6:15:53 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: MinorityRepublican

They elected a bunch of socialists and wonder why they’re living in misery?

Don’t laugh: we’re doing the same thing here....


68 posted on 04/13/2013 6:20:00 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Bon mots

Actually that is my answer to any argument with a lib. Detroit.


69 posted on 04/13/2013 6:24:47 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: RightOnline

It’s an argument better framed as socialist/communist versus true republic. You can easily group socialist nations together a the bottom of the barrel. Culture plays a more prevalent role than color. The divide in race is a product of that culture. Americas problem is best defined as a rebellion of a socialist sub culture that has now ascended and is actively destroying the country outright.


70 posted on 04/13/2013 6:57:48 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Blue Ink

Africa could be China’s tar baby.

I profess no knowledge of Africa, but having read almost every African hunting book, late 1800’s to 1970’s and the author’s observations of Africans, I don’t think we understand them, and “we” includes American blacks, whites, browns, etc.

Europe screwed the pooch early on and consequently they don’t understand us either except how to get our money.


71 posted on 04/13/2013 7:02:33 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Freeeeeeeee Nelson Mandela.
Freeeeeeeeee Nelson Mandela.”


72 posted on 04/13/2013 7:04:43 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RightOnline

Challenge Accepted.

While I will be the first to criticise Hellholes like Haiti and Zimbabwe, I nevertheless believe that fair is fair. As someone else already pointed out, the Bahamas qualifies, and for my own example, I will cite Botswana.

While Botswana does indeed still have some problems with poverty (especially in the capital of Gaborone), it is nevertheless considered one of Africa’s rising stars, and has steadily increased its standard of living, and its education rate.

It has also been 100% black-run since its independence (although its first leader Sir Sereste Khama caught a lot of flack from his own people for marrying a white British woman).

Like I said, the place isn’t perfect, but they’re actually attracting foreign investment.


73 posted on 04/13/2013 7:09:43 PM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: Blue Ink

I was really hoping you had a factual response to the question posed earlier (I mean that — not trying to be snippy). I don’t know the history of pre-colonial South Africa, but I suspect that there really wasn’t much of a population there, to begin with, and that white rule created prosperity where there was none. If you have a strong case, please make it. Otherwise, feel-good sentiments, absent historical basis, are hollow and worthless.


74 posted on 04/13/2013 7:11:11 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: LS

I couldn’t have imagined how much I’d love Bermuda be4
we took a cruise there soon a&ter 9-11.
Civilized, $ascinating history available 4 all to learn about, beauti&ul, and quiet. ONE small episode involving the Police restraining a guy out near the inlet where they do the historical recreations o& dunking, the entire time we were there.All the little kids going to school wearing shirts and ties, or pleated skirt and white blouses.
And most o& the older male native Bermudans all seemed to resemble Dexter Gordon, American jazz saxophonist.


75 posted on 04/13/2013 7:16:48 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: MinorityRepublican

Stature? Tutu is a anti-Semitic Marxist douchebag. That’s what his “stature” is with me!


76 posted on 04/13/2013 7:24:50 PM PDT by montag813
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks. You injected a little ACTUAL HISTORY into the discussion.I don’t remember our own post-Revolutionary leaders blaming “the Legacy o$ British Rule” when the new Republic was taking its initial steps into the 19th Century.


77 posted on 04/13/2013 7:25:46 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: dfwgator

It’s not the race that makes a culture bad or evil, but a culture based on race will always be evil.


78 posted on 04/13/2013 7:26:19 PM PDT by soycd
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To: RightOnline

Yes, one of the four pillars of American Exceptionalism: common law.


79 posted on 04/13/2013 7:30:47 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: MinorityRepublican

While bad now, the English Colonial system really helped most 3rd world countries. The French, Dutch, Italians and Germans didn’t. Why the difference?


80 posted on 04/13/2013 7:34:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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