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Creationist stakes $10,000 on contest between Bible and evolution
The Guardian ^ | March 25, 2013 | Amanda Holpuch

Posted on 03/27/2013 11:15:00 AM PDT by EveningStar

A California creationist is offering a $10,000 challenge to anyone who can prove in front of a judge that science contradicts the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis.

Dr Joseph Mastropaolo, who says he has set up the contest, the Literal Genesis Trial ...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; evolution; josephmastropaolo; literalgenesistrial; religion; science; stars; verminman
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To: autumnraine

If it’s not in our time frame it was kinda mean of them to misuse our units of measurement.


101 posted on 03/27/2013 1:50:00 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Maybe, you should try to understand it.

It’s not that hard, if you try.


102 posted on 03/27/2013 1:50:37 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: swamprebel

And DNA is incapable of replicating itself with 100% accuracy - thus change is inevitable. The real question isn’t IF evolution happens - it is what could possibly stop it from happening.


103 posted on 03/27/2013 1:52:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: swamprebel

But what if the information wasn’t whispered, but given in front of all? And the listeners best able to remember and communicate all the information were given monetary reward and high social status?


104 posted on 03/27/2013 1:55:10 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: allmendream
And DNA is incapable of replicating itself with 100% accuracy - thus change is inevitable. The real question isn’t IF evolution happens - it is what could possibly stop it from happening.

Death ?

You are aware that virtually all mutations are detrimental to an organism's survival and their offspring's ?

It really comes down to the math.

105 posted on 03/27/2013 1:56:53 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Like substituting, removing, or adding a letter, or rotating the order of my post is going to add information that changes its meaning.

All it will do is destroy the information that is present.


106 posted on 03/27/2013 2:01:13 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jjotto
Oh Goodies a riddle....let me see...hum...I believe you just accurately described The current administration and modern Journalism.
107 posted on 03/27/2013 2:01:16 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel

If it’s not literal and unchallengeable, it’s not much of a guide.


108 posted on 03/27/2013 2:01:38 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: swamprebel

I think you’re on to something!


109 posted on 03/27/2013 2:03:37 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jps098
Your takedown is not that at all and rather lame.

So are you still claiming that the scientists took their ice core samples from "on top" of the P-38s, and that the dating of ice cores is done just by measuring their thickness?
110 posted on 03/27/2013 2:04:51 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: CatherineofAragon

Name anything, besides the abstract or theoritical, that is perfect.


111 posted on 03/27/2013 2:05:13 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Tublecane
No, that’s a popular science article, written for an audience somewhere between the drooling masses and professionals. Real science, that kind anyway, is mostly numbers which neither you nor I would understand, nor care to try.

Anyone that has NEVER read at least actual scientific paper published in a peer-reviwed journal (this does not include and article in Popular Science, a press release, article by a Washington Post science writer, etc.) has any business even having an opinion about evolution at all, or frankly, an opinion on anything having to do with science.

112 posted on 03/27/2013 2:08:39 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Zeneta

People should read your post. I believe you hit the nail on the head. It’s not evolution, how long is a day, can we trust the measure of half-life, etc. Materialism is the problem. Used to be Newton got the brunt of it, then Darwin and Marx, then Einstein in slightly different form, now not anyone in particular. But a certain kind of religiosity, not present in all believers, nor in equal amounts among those who have it, when presented with a materialistic worldview—not necessarily to the exusion of anything outside, just when whatever may or may not lay behind the veil of tears is systematically ignored—feel themselves trapped in an airtight casket. The idea of a watch wound long ago, unwinding in perfect order, gears moving gears as predetermined by their placement at the beginning, suffocates them.

Likewise, lots of scientists and areligious—or antireligious—types feel any reference to a world beyond the physical is the first step on the road to madness. Not all, obviously. Too many are religious to make a rule out of it. But this is what’s behind Einstein’s “finite but unbounded,” which when you think about it makes no sense, but is all about cutting out the metaphysical. And this from a guy who rejected a whole branch of physics, quantum mechanics, in part because of what he thinks Gid wouldn’t do.

They don’t want to think about what’s out there, physicists. It’s irrelevant to their work. So they cut the physical off. It’s its own thing. And it’s unbound, which can only mean there’s nothing on the other side of it. Or at least that we’re going to pretend like there isn’t.

But these are only the extremer forms. Most people who believe in science, to whatever degree, aren’t strict materialists. A little materialism doesn’t imply all materialism. Just because you think we can accurately measure radioactive decay does not doom you to think that given the initial conditions of the physical universe and all the laws of physics you could predict every future material event, down to what I had for breakfast.

Likewise, if you admit that physical reality is bound, and that maybe there’s something on the other side, you won’t automatically go mad.


113 posted on 03/27/2013 2:09:51 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: swamprebel
Our understanding does not depend on perfection. I misspelled a word, but you read it and understood it's meaning, so a Bible tainted by mankind's inprefections along the way is still useful.
114 posted on 03/27/2013 2:09:56 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel

I think I already have.


115 posted on 03/27/2013 2:11:21 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Zeneta

Virtually all mutations have almost zero effect and are “neutral”. It really comes down to math.

Of those that do have an effect it is usually going to be detrimental; if one assumes the offspring with the mutation is going to live in the exact same environment as its parents.

Bacteria have not just a gene for a high fidelity DNA polymerase to reproduce - they also have a gene for an error prone DNA polymerase that they express when under stress.

So why do you think a bacteria would respond to stress by making sure that its offspring have MORE mutations?

It really comes down to the math.


116 posted on 03/27/2013 2:12:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: drjimmy

No I do not claim that dating is done just by measuring their thickness. Just like dating based on cores, you have to assume, and many assumtions are incorrect.


117 posted on 03/27/2013 2:12:37 PM PDT by jps098
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To: Tublecane

If man came along on day six, that’s a heck of a lot closer to the beginning than billions of years later, right?

Jesus never got it wrong.


118 posted on 03/27/2013 2:14:02 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: allmendream

So you agree.

Bacteria have mutated and lost information, even though they have retained some survival qualities.

It’s like losing your arms and therefore not being able to be arrested because you have no hands to cuff.


119 posted on 03/27/2013 2:18:02 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Tublecane

Tublecane ?

Is that you ?

Tell me more.


120 posted on 03/27/2013 2:19:55 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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