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Ballsy Law Student Schools Uninformed Law Officer on Gun Rights (Video)
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 2/24/13 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/24/2013 10:47:59 AM PST by Nachum

Guest Post by Mara Zebest

A video posted at the end of 2012 (a couple of months back) is gaining some steam now due to the current gun debate. A Facebook posting offers the following overview:

You will LOVE this video! Share it if you want MORE people (including policemen) to understand this!

Watch what happens when a policeman illegally stops a law student for carrying a gun… and the law student schools him on how he’s broken the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ballsy; banglist; gun; guncontrol; law; secondamendment; student
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To: Nachum

DeBerry v. US. I MUST remember that one.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1027378.html

JoMa


21 posted on 02/24/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by joma89
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To: jongaltsr
I wrote not to carry openly. That was the only point made.
22 posted on 02/24/2013 12:59:33 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Pride in the USA

Brave guy. He could easily have ended up tasered, cuffed, beaten, hogtied, thrown in the back of the patrol car, or even dead. I’m grateful for people of more courage than I.

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 1:11:33 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That would certainly be the case here in New Jersey. Here, for the most part, not all mind you, not all cops are bad ,but for the most part cops in New Jersey are little more than thugs with a badge. And God help you if you’re stopped by the NJ State Police. Even if you’re ‘’free, white and over 21’’you’re in a world of sh!t if they decide they don’t like how you look and sound.


24 posted on 02/24/2013 1:14:57 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Nachum

Police can try a consensual conversation...perfectly justified in doing so. Hopefully the carrying party understands the dynamics in play and not be a di@@ about it. If the carryer insists on leaving, without any reasonable suspicion, police must let them walk.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 1:17:51 PM PST by bike800
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility.

Ah, so his correctness/incorrectness or guilt/innocence is determined by tons of voice?

There are people who will dismiss your argument if you are enthusiastic/excited, as if any emotion invalidates your position... and there are those who will dismiss the "calm cool"/dispassionate tone as being uninvolved/detached.

Obviously there is no way that one can disagree in a legitimate fashion.

26 posted on 02/24/2013 1:28:47 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

Good thing the student wasn’t walking a dog.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 1:32:25 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Nachum

The most instructive point here is that the officer repeatedly dodged the question of whether simply carrying a gun was illegal. He literally had a “papers, please” mentality.


28 posted on 02/24/2013 1:43:40 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Openly or concealed - it doesn’t matter.
It still involves the same Constitutional Right.
Different states intrepid those right somewhat differently but when it comes right down to it - to hell with the difference in definitions - it is the right to protect yourself that is paramount. I will always defy any governmental law when it come to self preservation.


29 posted on 02/24/2013 1:55:03 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: FunkyZero

Or obstruction. Then comes “Calm down” and then “Stop resisting”. They simply paint you into a corner you can’t get out of.


30 posted on 02/24/2013 2:11:05 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

You are right, but even lawyers and judges need to look up laws that are cited in court. Expecting a cop to know all laws might be expecting too much. That said both parties seemed to handle the situation well. Once the cop figured out this young man could site case law and his supervisor showed up things went well. I don’t know where the balance lies with cops and armed civilians but this was a good example of knowing what to say, steroid pumped cop aside. Thank goodness for the young man.


31 posted on 02/24/2013 2:21:06 PM PST by spudville
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Very good on the law. Could have been more polite and professional towards the officer even if he did set it up. Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility. Should have given first name and been nice and then stated the facts. Overall...good demonstration of the law.
However, not good to carry any handgun openly anywhere especially in this day and time unless one is an officer. Just not wise.

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Slide on over to DU where you belong. You are so full of your ignorant self; lecturing on how this guy should not exercise his rights. Rights not exercised are rights lost.


32 posted on 02/24/2013 3:25:43 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Nachum
That was excellent! That young man knew exactly what to say and how to say it. Keep in mind that that won't work out quite that way in every jurisdiction in the country but he obviously knows the law well enough to know how to proceed if the cops do decided to break the law.

Good primer on how to deal with a stop like that. Bookmarked.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 3:38:49 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: FunkyZero
you are correct: they always pull out their ace.. "disorderly conduct" or "refusing an officers orders".

BOTH of these overly abused charges should be erased from the books across the board.

You forgot the ever popular "creating a public nuisance". An oldie but a goodie!

Regards,
GtG

34 posted on 02/24/2013 3:43:37 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Nachum

Happened in portland maine.


35 posted on 02/24/2013 3:45:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I couldn’t disagree with you more on every point. We will not retain our rights by tip-toeing around them. He was as polite as the situation called for, showed no hostility and there is no “conversation on a person to person basis” happening when an officer of the law stops you in the course of his duties and disarms you. Everything you do and say and everything the officer does and says is strictly a legal matter.


36 posted on 02/24/2013 3:48:21 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: joma89

Thanks for posting the link. Bookmarked.


37 posted on 02/24/2013 3:55:15 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“Most cops are ignorant of the law,”

Further, due to most of the population being ignorant of the law, Big Brother’s Thugs overstep their bounds purposefully because they know of the ignorance of the public.

This fool knew the law. He just happened to pick on someone who knew the law, too.


38 posted on 02/24/2013 5:23:53 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

No, no, no. The Office must establish the valid reason for the stop.


39 posted on 02/24/2013 5:44:45 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
Slide on over to DU where you belong.

After this, it degenerated into name-calling. A lot of accusations are flying about how folks here border on despotic. I've been here for MANY years and have never been told to go to DU. I have no other response other than to say, "Make me."

40 posted on 02/24/2013 6:46:21 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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