Posted on 02/14/2013 6:21:43 AM PST by KeyLargo
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Police in Christopher Dorner standoff launched incendiary tear gas into cabin
By CHUCK BENNETT and DAVID K. LI From Post Wires Last Updated: 6:14 AM, February 14, 2013
Murderous ex-cop Christopher Jordan Dorner wanted to go out in a blaze of glory — and the sheriff’s deputies who surrounded his California mountain hideout provided the flames.
The San Bernardino County cops torched the wooden cabin with highly flammable “incendiary tear gas” as Dorner took refuge Tuesday, apparently burning him to a crisp.
“Burn this mf--er!” one officer shouted as they had Dorner — who had earlier killed a deputy and seriously wounded another — pinned down in the cabin, according to police radio transmissions.
Amid sounds of gunfire, voices can be head shouting, “Burn it down!” and “Shoot the gas!”
Excerpt, read more at nypost
There are many instances where the police departments have gone overboard against unarmed citizens.
One incident happened in NY that I can recall. The cops were chasing a woman in an unmarked car. She did not know they were cops. The word went out over the radio that she was some armed lunatic and several cars joined in the chase. She rammed one car (that cut her off) When she staggered out of the car they unloaded on her. Killed instantly.
The original infraction was a busted tailight of something like that.
This happens quite frequently. Yes, Dorner was armed and a menace to officers but what about all the others they have executed?
The property owners may be screwed. I once had the happy task of telling a property owner that we had to destroy the house in order to save it. Then the state claims sovereign immunity. (I often caught the crappy jobs. I wasn’t a favorite of management.)
Long story short - guy refuses to pay taxes. Property goes to sheriff sale. Investor buys property. Former owner stays and eventually has to be evicted. Guy pulls gun on constable. SWAT team, prolonged siege, gun battle, tear gas, armored vehicle crashing into place. Hilarity ensues. Semi-happy ending though, suspect ran out of ammo and gave up. No injuries. The investor was only out about $5K.
I think this case is exceptional, meaning that is not common (but not unheard of) for the police to change from a role of "capture if you can," to "do not take alive." Outside of LA, I don't think there is a risk of public blowback in the form of diminished respect or heightened concern. In LA, who knows. The racial agitators may or may not choose to use this incident as a spark.
Why did Dorner hole up in a cabin, which wasn't his? Why didn't he surrender peacefully prior to killing the deputy sheriff?
Sorry, but what happened to Dorner was justifiable. I will get after the cops when they act stupid and/or abuse their power, such as with the LAPD incidents with innocent motorists in this matter. But I simply don't see this as a slippery slope incident. It was lethal force applied after lethal force had been used against them.
Yeah, he was obviously just a half-hearted psychopath.
Who had a beef with the LAPD but ended up killing a sherrif's deputy in another jurisdiction.
BTW, Dorner's own manifesto said he would not be taken alive. Kinda hard to negotiate with someone like that.
Appreciate that and know the feeling of typing something that ain’t exactly what you meant.
How about trying to keep things in perspective. How many incidents are police officers involved in daily across the USA? Now compare that to your claim of "many instances" police departments have gone overboard against unarmed citizens. . What percentage are we looking at? 1%, 5%, ?????????
True that.
Even the toughest of us will feel significantly more motivated to surrender and get medical care after a couple hours of trying to deal with such a wound on our own. No anesthetics, no antibiotics, the bleeding that won't quite stop, that strong odor of blood and damaged tissue, with is that a little hint of gangrene, maybe?
Just because he wrote something in his manifesto a week ago, doesn't necessarily mean that he wants to die in a hail of gunfire today. It's clear he wasn't interested in killing everyone in his path, as evidenced by the people he refused to kill.
Excuse me for being the one who is willing to consider all of this, and try to negotiate with a military and police serviceman before "burning the mother******" as these "professional" folks so clearly put it.
Should I burn the store down? That was really a rather obtuse comparison. Not even close to the same situation. In the store I do not have the suspect contained nor do I have the ability to stay away from his fire.
>> They fired a tear gas canister BTW.<<
They aren’t called incendiary smoke bombs for nothing. The intent was clearly fire.
Maybe if the police had tried to talk to him before setting everything on fire, they might have had a chance to send in a negotiator to speak with him via cellphone or bullhorn.
I guess we will never know, since the place was set on fire with him (and could have been potential hostages) still inside.
You are defending the indefensible if you think that the "scorched earth" policy is applicable here. It didn't have to end this way.
Um NO!!! The point was that the LEOs had no intent of taking him alive as evidenced in their actions with the innocent people.
So if someone kills two members of your family-—your daughter and her husband, say-—and threatens you and several of your associates, what are you going to do?
Call a cop? Call a lawyer?
No, me either. So why would you expect them to?
He had already shot and killed a sheriff's deputy. You don't "talk" to people who are shooting at you intent on killing you.
setting everything on fire
Can you prove that Dorner didn't set the fire himself or have possession of and use accelerants?
It didn't have to end this way.
You're right, Dorner chose to end it that way. Every decision he made led directly to it. He was NOT a victim, he was a cold blooded murderer.
Murder does not condone murder, evil cops.
1.) Cordoning off the area, scanning the area with aircraft and waiting him out would have been the professional thing to do. Sending in one of his buddies from the Navy alongside a negotiator to talk to him via bullhorn or cellphone would have been the professional thing to do. NONE OF THAT WAS DONE. Laying waste to the cabin via weapons, fires and explosions is what was done, and it was wrong.
2.) The police acknowledged via radio conversation that they were going to "burn the mother******." They are the ones who burned the cabin down, not Dorner.
3.) It didn't have to end this way, because Dorner made it crystal clear that he was not interested in killing everyone in his path. What is wrong with you?
The dead and wounded ones?
Yes, I would call the police. They are society’s protection against anarchy.
While I would be sorely tempted to hunt down the perp., it isn’t my job. I’ve hired the police to do that in a well ordered society. I’ve hired the police to do so professionally, within the confines of the law, so that law may be upheld and not become mob “justice”.
So, you’d just go hunt down and shoot someone in those circumstances rather than call the cops? If so, then I understand why you are siding with the cops in this case.
Extra-judicial murder is what they did and you support.
At the cabin, the only rule of law that was violated was the Law of Delicate FReeper sensibilities.
Seriously, I asked hours ago . . . was Dorner firing from the cabin and is that a subject of dispute?
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